On Friday 20 March 2009, Tim Moore wrote:

> RFC: Vector Types in the Property System
>
> Proposal: Allow vector types as properties in property list XML
> files and as properties in the runtime property system.

[snip...]

> Rationale: Without these types, the XML syntax is much more
> verbose

[snip...]

> Discussion:
> The property system is very useful and I want to use it for
> implementing effects. However, I find the syntax way too verbose
> for simple aggregate properties like colors. With the proposed
> changes effect files can be property lists, and effects values
> can easily be represented as property trees, while still
> preserving a concise syntax.
>
> I'm not proposing to change any existing property to an extended
> property.

This strikes me as an extremely bad idea.

The property tree isn't just used for FG's internal workings but 
also as a consistent interface to the external world, the 
consistency coming from explicitly identifying scalar data, 
removing any possibility of ambiguity in exactly what data you're 
dealing with.

However, the data items in the compound datatypes proposed will only 
be implicitly identified; how can this be a good thing?

I can't accept that the current scalar datatype handling is "way too 
verbose for simple aggregate properties like colors"  In this 
specific example we've just gone down a single level, to handle 
just three values, and in the Vec4 types you're not descending any 
deeper but just adding a single extra value - just how much of an 
overhead is there in handling that, that makes it "way too verbose?

And why is verbosity a problem anyway?  Sure, it may mean more 
keystrokes for the coder producing the software but the main 
purpose of producing the software is so that it can be used by the 
user.  By reducing verbosity for the primary-developer though, 
you're just passing the burden on to the user-developer.  The 
primary-developer should only have to 'suffer' from having to deal 
with this verbosity just once, when he writes the code, but from 
that point onwards, everyone else who needs to use that data has to 
duplicate effort to deal with it.

In conclusion, this proposal just seems designed to slightly reduce 
the workload for the primary-developer at the expense of increasing 
the workload for the user-developers, at the same time rendering 
the interface inconsistent and ambiguous.

LeeE

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