On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 23:02 +0000, leee wrote:
> On Saturday 06 Feb 2010, Martin Spott wrote:
> > leee wrote:
> > > On Saturday 06 Feb 2010, Martin Spott wrote:
> > >> John Denker wrote:
> > >> > The fact that workarounds exist for this bug seems to
> > >> > be rather strong evidence that the bug exists.
> > >>
> > >> The sole fact that you're getting in trouble with the way you
> > >> are doing things on your very local setup doesn't prove a
> > >> single bug,
> > >
> > > If ./configure is generating a makefile that doesn't work then
> > > there is clearly a bug.
> >
> > A "bug" is not necessarily the same as a "on my very custom setup
> > it doesn't work the way as I would expect". Several people are
> > having severe dificulties to understand the difference,
> > especially when they're starting to deal with non-trivial
> > components in their setup.
> >
> > > Saying that because the bug doesn't exist because it isn't
> > > widespread is just being in denial, and is an excuse (not a
> > > reason) for doing nothing about it.
> >
> > I don't mean not to do anything about it. But I don't agree with
> > people crying "bug" on every occasion just because they just
> > don't understand the implications of what they're doing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Martin.
>
> This is hardly a case of "on my very custom setup it doesn't work
> the way as I would expect".
./configure --datadir=$parent/bogus \
--with-osg=$parent/usr \
--with-simgear=$parent/usr \
--with-plib=$parent/usr \
--prefix=$parent/usr
Isn't exactly a "stock" setup... And neither is shuffling libraries into
non-standard directories.
> The system does not seem to be highly customised and generating a
> makefile that doesn't work cannot be passed off as just not working
> in the way expected.
The issue seems to be the makefile expects to find OSG's libraries in
$parent/usr/lib where they were specified to be, and he/his system
placed them in a non-standard place. Look at his command line again.
g++ -g -O2 -I/games/orig/usr -D_REENTRANT -L/games/orig/usr/lib
-L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -o est-epsilon est-epsilon.o -lglut
-lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lrt -ldl -lm
-losgFX -lglut -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lrt
-ldl -lm
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -losgFX
He *told* it osg was in $parent/usr/ (and I am assuming
$parent=/games/orig) and the makefile is telling g++ to look in
-L/games/orig/usr/lib for libraries.
> Neither do people normally 'cry' bug whenever they have a problem.
No, most people don't.
> This sort of exaggeration and misrepresentation of the circumstances
> doesn't get anyone anywhere.
I don't find Martin's statements to be an exaggeration.
> John's 'Joe' the non-C++ programmer is a valid scenario. Implying
> that the problem only occurs when people don't understand the
> implications of what they're doing is like suggesting that people
> who can't do their own automobile maintenance and repairs shouldn't
> drive, or indeed, that people who can't fly an aircraft shouldn't
> travel by air.
But people who can't fly an aircraft shouldn't expect to be able to
solo, either. This is why package managers provide pre-built
installable packages.
Ron
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