Martin Spott wrote:
> Geoff McLane wrote:
>
>   
>> So again, we should consider who OWNS the site, and fully
>> RESPECT what he might want, [...]
>>     
>
> I firmly object: The way how the web site is being managed is very
> contradictory to the nature of the entire project.
> I'm not advertizing anarchy here. As with every part of the project,
> maintaining the web site also requires some lead, but I don't see a
> reason why the web site - the layout as well as its technical basis -
> should be excluded from contributions to the project.
>   
this is getting quite frankly silly and stupid, this whole thread is as 
daft as one could get.

so I'll be honest please note this is not "personal" or "malicious".. My 
interests are in flightgear and thanks to Curt our BDFL.

so Curt.. I cant code c++ but its one of your talents.. I can code 
CSS/html easily, but cant code c++ properly.. yet. Your a crap webcoder 
as I am a crap c++ coder.

* the site needs to be modernized.. Just the markup and CSS would be 
100% improvement. ie NO javascript.

* We cant Incrementally improve the site. That is daft idea within the 
way you are coding. In c++ terms you are creating a class definition in 
each file instead of creating a header. In HTML its called a template.

* some templating engine will be required upon machine with a scripting 
lang eg python or php

* the pages =  end points. need to be agnostic. I dont want 
/mpstatus.shtml or mpstatus.php or mpstatus.py. I want /mpstatus/ so end 
user does not know whats behind. eg mpstatus.asp

* your html markup is wrong, it fails desperately and miserably. My 11 
year olde nephew uses validation. You have to respect the change to CSS. 
And that is a "dark art" also to some respects until a master. but you 
fail miserably.

* However its noted that using javascript templates would be cool 90% 
last century, now 1%  rating.

* "just delegate it", then your problem will be shouting at me or others 
to fix things instead of having to do it yourself.  Indeed some of the 
stuff need to be automated more.

* Curt, once its converted to CSS, you should be having more fun playing 
with "design concepts"...

* You need to be more of the "Dictator" in the BDFL; like an empror, go 
to bed, and wake up with things done... but keep you clothes on ;-))

* I dont want to be 100% in control either. I want an environment where 
its "maintained" by a few babysitters and developers.

Guess the whole ball is in your court.

so pick it up the ball and, write "python" or "php" on it then hit it 
back .. hard.. like bjorn borjk..

sorry curt

rant ends
Pete



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