> I have a question... > > 1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of Fluxus. > > 2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence too > much. > > 3. From my research, I show that John Cage taught at > the New School for Social Research > from 1956 to 1960. I only find that he taught the > Experimental Music Class from 1958 - 1960. > > 4. Some of the soon to be members of Fluxus > were enrolled in that class. > Others were invited in by Cage to do a performance or two. > > 5. The people I can find associated with the class (who were in Fluxus) were: > > Jackson Mac Low > George Brecht > Allan Kaprow > Al Hansen > Dick Higgins > Toshi Ichiyanagi > La Monte Young > Jim Dine > > Question: Is this list complete? > Which were actual students of the class and which were invited performers?
I thought some were invited to take and retake the class, to keep the interesting momentum going. > > In the opinion of anyone who cares to respond, > how much influence did this class have on the > later development of Fluxus? > > Thanks, > Pedro > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:31 +0100 > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div > > roger, > > i saw gong a few years back in sunderland of all places, had the good > fortune to have a little chat with daevid allen. > > you thunk right, he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way > > he sold me a camembert electrique t shirt - clever man, it was horrible! > > gong are playing this wednesday near treviso, just up the road. and we have > a table booked in venice for my girlfriends birthday.... > > ...could be the end of a beautiful relationship! > > the damned are playing on thursday too!! > > alanx > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:41:14 +0100 > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: "Ten Thousand Words on the Internet" Alan Bowman 2001 > > that's very worrying zap! > > btw he also made a blatant typo too > > we'll fix it soon(ish) > > fffo10000wdiv > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div > > - --- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > 'english' way > > speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > Cool" > > (repeat this wednesday night) > > +r > > np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:10:10 -0700 > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > Which network please? > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > 'english' way > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > >Cool" > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > >+r > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA). > They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python > ('74?), so maybe that says something about them... > > r > > np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?" > > - --- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which network please? > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > > 'english' way > > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > >Cool" > > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > > > >+r > > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:32:33 -0700 > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > I found it, playing Dec. 10th here locally. > Thanks a million, haven't seen them perform in years. > > At 11:14 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > >oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA). > >They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python > >('74?), so maybe that says something about them... > > > >r > > > >np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?" > > > > > > > >--- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which network please? > > > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > > > 'english' way > > > > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > > >Cool" > > > > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > > > > > >+r > > > > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:06:04 -0500 > From: "Don Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: does fluxus exist? a simplistic approach... > > Owen, Do have an address for Barbara Moore? Art metrople? Thanks, -Don > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) > From: { brad brace } <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: FLUXLIST: ripples in the upsidedown lake of the void > > _______ _ __ ___ _ > |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | > | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ > | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| > | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | > |_| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| > _____ _____ ____ _ _ _ _____ ______ _____ > |_ _|/ ____| _ \| \ | | | | __ \| ____/ ____| > | | | (___ | |_) | \| |______ | | |__) | |__ | | __ > | | \___ \| _ <| . ` |______| | | ___/| __|| | |_ | > _| |_ ____) | |_) | |\ | | |__| | | | |___| |__| | > |_____|_____/|____/|_| \_| \____/|_| |______\_____| > > | __ \ (_) | | > | |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ > | ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| > | | | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ > |_| |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| > _/ | > |__/ > > > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A > `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. > The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it > suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from > determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which > it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves > no privilege to any center. > > The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project > ----------------------------- > began December 30, 1994 > > Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a > spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist > masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors > for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... > > A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of > imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, > collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey > imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; > an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the > Net. > > An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically > unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced > over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... > > [ see ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/books.txt ] > > KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, > de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... > >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... > >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, > poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... > >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, > entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, > expansive... > > Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, > trade `em, print `em, even publish them... > > Here`s how: > > (Note: all "Teleport" addresses (web/ftp/email) have been eliminated: no > thanks to Earthlink scum. Please choose alternates listed below:) > > ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html > -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html > > Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files > more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... > > ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace > Download from -> ftp.idiom.com /users/bbrace > Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace > Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace > * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg > > ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to > do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the > server address nearest you: > * > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * * > > ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! > The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg > Average size of images is only 45K. > * > Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: > src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror > * > > ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: > alt.12hr > alt.binaries.pictures.12hr > alt.binaries.pictures.misc > alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc > > * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! > (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, > PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) > > ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on > December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over > twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of > photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth > of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing > publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting > is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, > interruption, and assimilation. > > ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural > projects and sources. > > ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and > occasional commentary related to this project has been established at > topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg > > - -- > This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some > opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of > editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones > or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the > first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions can also be made > at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html > > - -- > ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of > image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or > translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/] > > - -- > (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft > 1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:51:07 -0000 > From: "Sol Nte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: NP lists > > Rod wrote regarding NP lists : > > >Oh, I think it was Sol's idea, but I've seen it on other lists > (including "otherlist").< > > Actually it was Alex Cook's idea and a fine one to boot. > > cheers, > > Sol. > - ------------------------------- > NP: Turtle Mendoza - Ave Garcia > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:29:18 -0000 > From: "Roger Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!] > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open? > > love > Paranoid Percy > > NP > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:16:03 -0800 > From: Patricia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!] > > Dear P. Percy: > > Yes indeedy. Our emails be being virus free!!! > > XXOO > P. R. & V > > Roger Stevens wrote: > > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open? > > > > love > > Paranoid Percy > > > > NP > > > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums > > ------------------------------ > > End of FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58 > *****************************
