I realize I was wrong when I answered to this forum - I could not expect my words to be interpreted this way. Please disregard my previous message; I also unsubscribe from the list, to make you feel sure I don't induce anyone into wrongdoing.
> RenderX (--still wondering which of the two is more true: either his > employers have no idea what he's doing, or he doesn't care whether > they know... or he is his own employer trying to lure me into doing > something illegal --in which case he'll fail I _am_ in the position to decide myself how much technical information about RenderX XEP can be safely disclosed. But if you prefer to see any word that comes from RenderX as a fraud attempt, you're welcome. > - hey, come to think of it, does RX need money or what? =D ) And they have the money - earned by writing software, not by cheating. Yours truly, Nikolai Grigoriev XEP Project Leader RenderX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas L. Delmelle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: RE: Just a small question... > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Mazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please do *not* share anything you find with the > team--We don't need any you-stole-our-code headaches > from the commercial implementations. > Ok, I won't No offense, but I think you mistake my intentions here, Glen. If not, then of course I appreciate your concern... Fact is, I have up to now blindly refused to even have a glance at competing products, probably just because I share these very same concerns. To be honest: I was quite surprised to receive an answer from s.o. at RenderX (--still wondering which of the two is more true: either his employers have no idea what he's doing, or he doesn't care whether they know... or he is his own employer trying to lure me into doing something illegal --in which case he'll fail - hey, come to think of it, does RX need money or what? =D ) > > Be careful, Andreas--RenderX or AntennaHouse code > should not be in FOP I *will* be careful. I agree 100% with this, but I don't agree at all with your stating that > --nor should FOP developers even > be looking at its internals. Matter of simple > integrity. I think this is a bit over the top. Suppose that tomorrow, someone gets fired at RX or AH, and this ex-employee decides to share some ideas with us. Are we really going to tell him to take a hike?? Just because of simple integrity? (Suppose that, before we find out, he has already submitted a few patches that have been applied. Would we undo all of these patches, because of 'simple integrity'?) Please, don't get me wrong. I definitely appreciate the nobility of your motives here, and I too would certainly enjoy the satisfaction of having it done the honest way, whatever that means. > Stay away from their work--it's not worth > it!!! At worst, it's illegal, at best you're taking > away the reward--from everyone!--of coming up with a > comparable implementation. It's --should I add: of course ?- not the intention to copy anything, just gather some ideas. > > I don't want FOP tarnished with 0.0000001% of RenderX > or AntennaHouse code (or inspired code). My point exactly: how are we going to make sure of that if we're not even meant to look at their internals? (Who knows, maybe it's 0.000047% already... Besides that, you never get to see the source from commercial implementations --source in the strict sense -, unless you're working there or know your bytecode by heart ;) ) > If we can't provide a comparable implementation, then let us lose > honorably. If we can, we can then enjoy the > satisfaction of having done it the honest way, not by > copying work! > Are you by any chance familiar with (--Picasso's, I think...): "Bad artists copy, good artists --steal." Look at the evolution of the human species, and ask yourself: what would have happened if every generation had to start from scratch? What I mean is: you won't find me copying anything! (To be honest, I'm a little offended by the mere supposition that I might be inclined to do that... ) Again, I *do* appreciate your concerns for the project as a whole, but I strongly doubt whether these should be a reason to remain blind to other peoples' approaches. Cheers, Andreas
