On 08/25/2016 08:50 AM, Justin Sherrill wrote:
On 08/24/2016 09:08 PM, Eric D Helms wrote:
I don't mind testing and doing prep work to give feedback to the Pulp team of any breakages for a beta, but I have enjoyed seeing us avoid tagging in beta's and to some extent RCs to our tags. I prefer we not lock ourselves into a release that then ends up with hiccups and headaches and delays our release. If a feature is being tackled that requires Pulp changes, I would put the onus on the developers working on the feature to ensure that the upcoming release of Pulp has everything they need and to some extent doesn't break Katello. This would help ensure that the release nanny has a smooth runway for the next release and that the developers working on the feature can get there feature in on time.

To add a counter argument to that. I think pulling in an RC that has passed all of our tests prior to a pulp GA allows:

a) developers to play with it and find issues when they can be fixed sooner rather than waiting for a x.y.z release
b) new features to be developed more easily

Waiting until a full release puts us at a disadvantage for ensuring that that release of pulp does not introduce new issues. We could just as easily pull in a GA release, find some issue and then have to delay ourselves as well.

That said, I don't think I want to pull in a beta, and I think we need to be comfortable that the GA release will occur at least two weeks prior to our planned Foreman/katello GA release.

-Justin


For awareness, it sounds like there may be one more beta cycle for pulp 2.10 prior to it's GA release. Based that, I'd estimate GA may not be for 2-3 weeks. That said, refer to upstream pulp team for official release updates and dates.


Eric

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Tom McKay <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Justin Sherrill
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        On 08/24/2016 05:48 PM, Tom McKay wrote:


        On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Chris Duryee
        <[email protected]> wrote:



            On 08/24/2016 05:33 PM, Tom McKay wrote:
            > Katello and foreman are nearing dev freeze in early
            September but there are
            > a few features centered around Atomic Host and Atomic
            Registry that will
            > need changes introduced in pulp-2.10. While I
            understand pulp-2.10 is
            > currently still in beta, I was hoping we could bring
            it into katello now
            > ahead of dev freeze so the dependent integration could
            be completed.
            >
            > If we did bring in pulp-2.10, it would have to be with
            the understanding
            > that breakages on both sides would need to be fixed
            prior to katello
            > releasing. I know this is usually how things go
            anyways but I just wanted
            > to state it up front.
            >
            > Also, are there resources to do this work? If I
            understand things
            > correctly, it's not just as simple as updating a repo
            file to point to
            > pulp-2.10, but that changes to runcible would also
            need to be made? Is this
            > something that could be done ASAP? Sooner means more
            time to shake out
            > issues.

            2.10 should have additive-only changes from 2.9, I don't
            think runcible
            would change unless it was to support something new in 2.10.


        We would be passing username/password for docker registries
        w/ authentication. Not sure if there are other changes too,
        @partha?

        Generally when pulling in a new pulp release, we only
        initially introduce changes required to maintain existing
        functionality. New functionality is added after that is done
        in one or more PRs.


    Of course, so yes @beav is correct.



            >
            > Thoughts?
            >

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