For monitoring of what is going on on the foreman-dev/users I prefer to consume it as a mailing list. It is lightweight and efficient and fits well to my mail-centric workflow. I understand the benefits of the forum so I gave Discourse a try to see how it works and if its mailing-list mode promises smooth transition.
Things I like: - searching during new post compose - existence of "groups" - likes (even work when sent via mail) - rich-text messages, syntax highlighting, markdown - easy to share links to individual posts Things I didn't like (I guess some are likely interference with the Gmail client and some can be tuned up): - for some reason the threads are not kept together in my Gmail and the messages from one thread are split into multiple threads even if they seem to have same subject. I'm not sure why, it may be because I tuned the account settings. I'll keep testing this - it took about 15 min since I sent mail to the time I received it from the list (not sure what are the reaction times on the list today but this won't improve it) - mails from Discourse take too much visual space - the footer saying how to unsubscribe, reply or visit the topic is included in each message. First post should be enough. There is also extra username with avatar and forum role next to User name in the From field. Is this configurable? - "likes" are only indicated in forum notifications but not in emails. If you send '+1' to the list the like is added but no message is sent to the users (just the notification) So far for me it is difficult to follow the Discourse discussion using just Gmail. For further testing I'd like to see more traffic in the Testing area. I'd also appreciate experience with mailing-list mode testing form others. M. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Lukas Zapletal <l...@redhat.com> wrote: > Greg, I absolutely understand the motivation, every two years amount > of programmers doubles. That is a crazy amount of newcomers. But these > new people are not idiots and some technical level is required even > for soft roles in our community. And we can make lists approachable > very much like forums. > > Do not put me into position of blind and angry dev who can't accept > something different or new. I understand all contexts and I say > Discourse is an overkill that will bother me and possibly others. God > I wish Google Groups are gone, but not for this. > > > * do nothing > > Honestly, yeah. > > > * switch mailing list for minimal improvement > > s/minimal/reasonable/ > > > * switch to a forum, big upheaval but potential big payoff > > Sure, because there are no downsides. > > It's not about a list standard e-mail headers. The forum has different > workflow and features and there will be new features as well while > mailing list will stay the same. This will screw my inbox. This will > but a wall between e-mail users and web forum users. This is what's > this all about. And I think we don't need to go that direction. > > LZ > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Greg Sutcliffe <g...@emeraldreverie.org> > wrote: > > One more thought occurred to me while I was out on the nursery pickup, > so I'll drop here before I bow out for the weekend. > > > > Lukas, I think part of our disagreement is our different goals. As I > highlighted in the last mail, users behave differently to devs. These days > I consider myself more user than dev (when did I last contribute code), so > I have a different world view. > > > > You want to protect a tried and trusted workflow, likely used by many > here - that's fine. My job is to promote and develop the user community, so > I see room for improvement. > > > > Here's the catch though... Our future devs, as a community, *come from* > the user community. If we don't focus there, then we risk stagnating the > dev community too. > > > > I won't deny this change is a larger net benefit for the user group. The > case for the dev community is harder to argue. But there *is* benefit, and > compared to running a list (for dev) and a forum (for users) I think the > better argument is to use a forum for both. > > > > I don't expect to convince everyone, so this is going to come down to a > group decision - but not for a while yet. We need to do more tests. > > > > Have a great weekend all, > > Greg > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "foreman-dev" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to foreman-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Later, > Lukas @lzap Zapletal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "foreman-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to foreman-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "foreman-dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to foreman-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
