you're sure you ment "betrayed" and not "protrayed"? ;) I don't particularly want to be betrayed to anyone...
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Jack Doerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you're sure you ment "betrayed" and not "protrayed"? ;) > I don't particularly want to be betrayed to anyone... > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Ken VanDine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am always glad to collect ideas for how things can be improved, but >> this isn't the point of this email thread. The goal here is to >> collect ideas around branding and how we want to be betrayed to our >> target audience. This is a complex thing to really identify and >> articulate. Please help us articulate how we want to be branded, the >> rest will follow. >> >> Thanks, >> --Ken >> >> >> e. This also includes a discussion of what we like >> about Foresight, and what we don't, or needs to be improved to get us >> to our goal. >> >> Please add your thoughts to the wiki page. If the page does get >> off-topic, I will start a parking lot section, and move ideas there as >> well if they don't pertain to the discussion. >> >> Please share your thoughts, everyone is welcome! Especially for those >> of us who use and develop Foresight every day, I want to make sure we >> have a wide range of ideas, to avoid the forest for the trees >> syndrome. >> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:52 PM, James Laver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 28/7/08 20:07, "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Would it be safe to say "switchers" are 3 groups of people? >>>> >>>> * teens->30's >>>> * 30's->50's >>>> * 50's on? >>>> >>>> These sets of people can be very different and isn't black and white. >>>> There are gray areas. But this is what happens when you're trying to >>>> cater to such a broad category of people. Ultimately, it might need to >>>> be narrowed to exclude some people. >>>> >>>> -Cory K. >>> >>> >>> I roughly agree with your categorisation. With that, I have some notes to >>> add. >>> >>> The first and second groups are likely to be switching of their own accord, >>> whereas the latter is likely (to take the case of ken's mother), be switched >>> by a relative who will have to support their computer. >>> >>> The latter case is perhaps a more appropriate candidate for a mac mini, but >>> lets gloss over that. >>> >>> Let's say switchers want it to work like windows. Assuming we're not trying >>> to do a Linspire (gosh, can't we just call it Lindows like it was before?) >>> and actually replicate windows in linux, let's say these are the important >>> things: >>> >>> It must be really easy to use: >>> - To setup - okay, this is quite easy, we have a 'zap everything' option. In >>> the third case, the relative will be doing it anyway. Check. >>> - To login - Check. >>> - To launch an application - The difference is that the gnome foot is a >>> different icon and is at the top of the screen. Perhaps we should move the >>> default to the bottom and have only one bar like people are used to. No, >>> don't quote off the gnome lists at me, I'm aware I'm inducing hatred. Apart >>> from that it's quite easy. - FIXME? >>> - To browse the web - Can we have an icon called 'Internet' on the desktop. >>> Not 'firefox', not 'epiphany', 'Internet'. FIXME. >>> - To setup adsl - Automatic. Check. >>> -To email - I don't rate evolution at all. I've had serious troubles trying >>> to persuade it not to be unusable with IMAP. It's always been the second >>> most frequent thing I have to kill (the first being firefox - it seems to be >>> quite unstable beyond 40 tabs) - FIXME >>> - To setup an email account - No more convoluted than Outlook Express I >>> suppose, but evolution is quite convoluted. - FIXME? >>> - To launch the client. Let's have an 'Email' icon on the desktop. FIXME >>> - Install software - Packagekit sucks. Lets be honest. Advanced users can be >>> fine with conary but they aren't the target audience. Fix packagekit or find >>> a replacement. FIXME >>> - Update the system - See packagekit rant. FIXME >>> - Produce documents/spreadsheets etc. - Openoffice.org isn't all that bad. >>> Check. >>> >>> Here are differences perhaps we should concentrate on: >>> >>> - Different artwork can be confusing. Tango icons go some way to alleviate >>> this, but the Gnome Foot is not exactly intuitive. FIXME? >>> - Installing software is just not remotely the windows model. We need to >>> find a way to make packagekit more obvious to the user but not irritate the >>> hell out of them. This should also be disable-able because some of us aren't >>> new converts and find such things annoying. An interesting thing to think >>> about is that the over-50s probably don't want to be installing software >>> anyway, and the youngins probably want software available for windows. I >>> suggest we take an approach of software solving problems. I'll flesh this >>> out below. FIXME >>> >>> Here are other things we need to consider for other environments: >>> - Interoperability in the office: >>> - MS Office - Largely fine. Nothing we can otherwise do. Check. >>> - Windows networking. Ridiculously complex. What can we do? FIXME. >>> - Working with company email: >>> - POP/IMAP/SMTP - Fine. Check. >>> - Exchange - Largely fine. Check. >>> - Domino/Notes - Completely doesn't work. What can we do? FIXME. >>> - Custom applications. Can't do a lot about these. There are certain >>> exceptions like visio doesn't do too badly with dia etc., but on the whole >>> there's nothing we can do about it other than package adequate work-withs. >>> Sorta-Fixme. >>> >>> >>> Software solving problems: >>> - I need to produce a picture - GIMP. Okay, it's installed, fine. >>> - I need to stave off boredom - <list of games>. Okay, installing, fine. >>> - I need to produce a UML diagram - Dia. Okay, installing, fine. >>> Etc. >>> >>> This is a fundamentally different workflow from the default. It's worth >>> considering, however. >>> >>> Let me know what you think. >>> --James >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foresight-devel mailing list >>> Foresight-devel@lists.rpath.org >>> http://lists.rpath.org/mailman/listinfo/foresight-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ken VanDine >> http://ken.vandine.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Foresight-devel mailing list >> Foresight-devel@lists.rpath.org >> http://lists.rpath.org/mailman/listinfo/foresight-devel >> > > > > -- > Jack Doerner > > There are worse crimes than burning books > One of them is not reading them. > -Joseph Brodsky > -- Jack Doerner There are worse crimes than burning books One of them is not reading them. -Joseph Brodsky _______________________________________________ Foresight-devel mailing list Foresight-devel@lists.rpath.org http://lists.rpath.org/mailman/listinfo/foresight-devel
