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its amazing how in a time of hurt and pain someone always manages to
find an angle to have a whinge. Ozhog a lot of families are in
turmoil, and all you can do is whinge about the VIP's having 2
planes. There would be reasons why, most of them obvious. Bob, of
Broadview, they don't fly everyone on the same flight, in case it
crashes. That way, they don't loose eveyone in one go. Troy of
Warradale, the cameraman was doing his job, under great duress, and
the footage he took is unique and valuable to the investigators. He
would have reacted instinctively, not with the thought of "money" in
mind. That film may provide the key to the whole thing. A very sad
day. One would hope that these countries have their infrastrucure
under control, obviously not in this case. I have heard that their
have been issues with Garuda and their maintainance procedures, from
someone in the industry. He said he wouldnt fly with them for any
money. We forget just how lucky we are in Oz, and the checks and
balances that are applied by the Govt to stop this happening here
are only for the better. As for the media reporting the plane as
having "crash landed" well in my opinion, it crashed. It didn't land
at all. Lets hope some good comes out of this.

Posted by: Chris of Adelaide 12:32pm today
When I made my initial comment the story had just hit and I had no
idea of the extent of the losses of life etc. I apologise to anyone
I may have offended.

Posted by: Ozhog of Tailem Bend 11:51am today
Troy, that footage may just hold the key to an investigation into
this tragedy. Or better still have footage of someone they think is
missing or still on the plane, but the footage will show they got
out and are being helped somewhere. My condolences to all the
families who have loss loved ones.

Posted by: Tonya of Darwin 10:07am today
M. McCulloch of Elizabeth I'm with you on this. Its been a huge
concern for me that these countries who thrive on the profitable
tourist trade, do NOT have any decent and acceptable levels of
infrastructure to support the tourists let alone their citizens. I'm
not asking for 5 star hospitals, emergency services and the like,
but at the very least a service that can support and service an
emergency situation like Bali bombings and the plane crash. In the
scheme of things this was not the magnitude of a Tsunami or
Hurricane Katrina type of disaster. Where does the tourist dollar go
to? I omit many destinations for my holidays on the basis of the
infrastructure they provide to tourists and their citizens.

Posted by: Romeo of Seaton 10:01am today
I respect the grieving families and loved ones of those who have
died in this tragedy. Perish the thought we construe from this
incident that this doomed plane was a decoy. Individuals' lives are
precious - no matter who they are - each and every one.

Posted by: susi stoye of Adelaide 9:54am today
Shame of the channel 7 camera man for filming all the people in
pain!!!

Posted by: Troy Fynnaart of Warradale 9:09am today
When you here of a plane crashing you always think the worst no
survivors. But this time there were survivors and that is good news.
But what I am not able to understand is why when a senior Minister
of the Government has to take his or her private plane. If they want
the media to attend then they should take a larger plane and charge
company for their flight.When you here of a plane crashing you
always think the worst no survivors. But this time there were
survivors and that is good news. But what I am not able to
understand is why when a senior Minister of the Government has to
take his or her private plane. If they want the media to attend then
they should take a larger plane and charge company for their flight.

Posted by: Bob Harris of Broadview 9:01am today
Ozhog, maybe it's like members the royal family not flying on the
same plane. Alex would be the Queen obviously

Posted by: Mark G of 8:11am today
I hope I'm wrong but, I saw no proper fire appliance at the scene of
the crash, just a fire hose firing water at the the stricken
aeroplane. I saw no firemen with protective clothing dousing with
retardent foam, just men with business shirts and ties or in many
cases just singlets, playing the single water hose onto the wreck.
Did anyone else notice the lack of proper equipment? M. McCulloch

Posted by: M. McCulloch of Elizabeth 7:53am today
Ozhog lets use some other forum to slate the Government please. This
anti everything our Government does sentiment is beginning to wear
thing! This is a tragedy from any angle and using it as another
reason or excuse to have a go at our local politians from whatever
side of the political spectrum you come from is shocking. My heart
goes out to the victims and their families of all nationalities at
this time.

Posted by: Richard of Woodcroft 7:28am today
A 737 crashes on 07/03/07. Wonder how long it will take the
conspiracy theorists to make something out of that trivia?

Posted by: Terri Kendall of Eudunda 6:28am today
I have had the good fortune--on a couple of occasions--to spend time
with the Hon. Alexander Downer. He is a man of great intellect, and
probably one of the leading parliamentarians in the Commonwealth.
You should consider yourself blessed to have someone of this calibre
in the central government of Australia. Your comments regarding the
use of "VIP Aircraft" for senior Ministers of the Crown are entirely
misguided, and most inappropriate, given the loss of life in the
Indonesian air crash.

Posted by: Ashley Haslett of Vancouver, Canada 12:42am today
Ozhog. The reason senior politicans, senior managers in many
companies and senior royals in many countries do not travel on the
same aircraft or even in the same car is to prevent them being
killed in an accident such as this one. It is risk management.

Posted by: Stuart Smith of Adelaide 11:08pm March 07, 2007
I have to agree with Mark, Ozhog's comments have done nothing to
comment on the suffering that a lot of son's, daughters, mothers,
fathers etc. are going to feel. My prayers go out to those people.

Posted by: Paul Smith of Elizabeth 7:12pm March 07, 2007
This is why our "important" people need to have "private"
arrangements and not to rely on "normal" services.

Posted by: Mark Thompson of Mark of Adelaide 3:42pm March 07, 2007
Ozhog. People have died and many are badly injured and your comments
are regarding politicians flying in different jets??

Posted by: Mark of Adelaide 3:22pm March 07, 2007
This is a sad story, but the question has to be asked, regarding
this quote from another Advertiser story on the subject. QUOTE "Both
the attorney-general and Foreign Minister Alexander Downer were due
to fly to Yogyakarta from Jakarta today, each on their own VIP
aircraft." UNQUOTE Why did 2 ministers need 2 VIP aircraft to go to
the same place? Sounds a bit Regal to me.

Posted by: Ozhog of Tailem

--- In [email protected], "walsuparmo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Salam,
> Baik yang ditulis oleh Pak Handoko Seto dan Patrick Hutapea
> itu,hanya iseng2 saja karena berpendapat lebih baik membuka mulut
> atau sekedar menulis, biar dikatakan pintar tetapi itinya yang
> ditulis  hal2 yang sama sekali diluar bidang mereka dan hanya dari
> pendengaran orang lain saja.
> Apapun yang menjadi sebab, sebaiknya kita menunggu keputusan yang
> kompeten namun yang PALING penting dan INTINYA adalah, sangat
> DISESALKAN terjadinya banyak korban sedangkan banyak contoh
seperti
> crash semacam ini yang TIDAK meninmbulkan korban atau semua pax
> selamat.Perwira ANGKATAN UDARA yang menjadi  Kapelud SIPIL di Adi
> Sucipto, mengatakan tidak ada masalah dengan lapangan terbang.Hal
> itu BENAR adanya yang MENJADI MASALAH BESAR dan serius adalah
> KEAMANAN PENERBANGAN(flight savety), yang TERBUKTI tidak
PROFESIONAL
> sama sekali karena kedatangan MOBIL PEMADAMAN KEBAKARAN yang
SANGAT
> TERLAMBAT dan mempergunakan alat(bahan) yang(air)  seharusnya
TIDAK
> dipergunakan(juga  tidak profesional). Ini hal yang sangat serius
> dan harus ditindak juga. Apalagi Adi Sucipto sebagai INTERNAIONAL
> AIRPORT.Sangat memalaukan bangsa ter-lebih ada orang asing yang
> menjadi korban.
> Wasalam,
> Wal Suparmo

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