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List: ICDSM URL: http://www.icdsm.org ------------------------------------------------------------ INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE TO DEFEND SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC http://www.icdsm.org/more/borislav-i.htm PART 2 - CONVERSATION WITH AMBASSADOR BORISLAV MILOSEVIC, SLOBODAN'S BROTHER * JARED ISRAEL (CONTINUED) And this current tendency to reduce human existence to one equivalent evil, where 'humanitarian' means 'bombing' and resistance to terrorism is by definition virtually the same as terror, where it is considered natural for ethnic groups to try to kill each other and we are supposed to root for whichever side the Imperial media has portrayed as victims so that whatever they do is justified as "revenge" against whatever group has currently been labeled "just like Hitler" - that, it seems to me, is what your brother has been fighting. That is why I'm supporting him. Sorry for my long speech! * BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [In English] Yes yes! No, no it's very good speech! [In Serbo-Croatian] The whole concept that your government is trying to impose on the world is very similar to what they preached when there was a bipolar world, creating a positive force and its opponent, a negative force, which today is called international terrorism; and in that struggle everything is allowed. And nobody may be neutral in that fight. So in the conditions of world supremacy of one power, the tendency for having new armaments of mass destruction, new lethal arms is increasing and it leads to development and strengthening of terrorism. International terrorism cannot be suppressed by the use of force alone, especially, as you correctly pointed out, when the supreme power is itself organizing terrorism in various ways in Kosovo, in Afghanistan, in Chechnya. So international security can be created only on the basis of universality, and not on the basis of isolation and destruction of several countries that allegedly represent some axis of evil. And you have correctly pointed out that many organizations defined as terrorist for instance and especially in the Middle East, were created and are still controlled by the American secret services. And the American policy has created great harm in other ways. There is the destruction of the environment and the economy in Yugoslavia because of the attack. And there is the increasing danger of both nuclear accident and nuclear war. * JARED ISRAEL I think you made a very important point, that the Empire wishes to create the perception of a bipolar world, in which they are one pole and the other is terrorism. This Empire's thinkers are aware that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Because it's a law of politics, isn't it? So opposition inevitably develops. And because they are clever, instead of only attacking the opposition, the Empire tries to mold the opposition. How can they lose if they are fighting something they control? Their own nightmare image, in effect. By declaring this war on terrorism, they are fighting forces which they covertly control. Then they also defend these terrorists, whom they actually organized, by means of the 'human rights' apparatus which they also control - and this ends up luring some people into sympathy and support for the terrorists. Such people may not be thinking clearly or maybe they've just fallen into the natural reaction that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - it's a human trait to think that way. So we see people on what considers itself the Left in the West making heroes out of the Taliban and other terrorists. But these terrorists are not fundamentally opponents of this Empire. The Taliban, for example, are victims of a guiding principle of this Empire, which is, "We have no friends, we only have future victims." This Empire may attack those whom it supported yesterday, as the need arises. The Taliban were supported by them (11) and then abruptly they became a target because the US needed an excuse, or more properly, the Empire needed an excuse, because it is not the same as the US, this Empire is above the US government, the Empire needed an excuse to move into Central Asia. This was for geopolitical reasons. They wanted to give Central Asian nations the DOS (12) treatment, which is penetra! tion by Fifth Column organizations, and we see this now going on in Central Asia accompanied by military penetration and the corruption of the remnants of the Soviet officer corps disguised as military aid and training. The goal is to build a force in these countries capable of striking Russia. The Empire knows that Russia, in alliance with China, is the primary real threat to their control. None of this is contradicted by Mr. Putin's complete capitulation. As we saw with Macedonia, capitulation does not protect a country from attack by this Empire. Indeed, the experience of the Taliban shows that even being created by this Empire won't help if they decide to recycle you! (13) So this move to complete the encirclement of Russia is justified by the "war against Terrorism." And so some people in the peace movement, perhaps not giving enough thought to what's going on, but simply reacting to the appearance, which is that the Empire is attacking Islamic fundamentalist terrorists - some people conclude that the fundamentalists are an ally in resisting NATO. Meanwhile, in fact, huge numbers of Taliban are being incorporated into the new Afghan army (14) which is still a Fundamentalist army, just more directly under Imperial control and with an end to local squabbling, or so they hope. When Russia was the opposite pole, that was a problem. Russia had positive ideas and practices regarding social equality. It was weak on democracy and sometimes on international morality but strong on social equality, and this encouraged dangerous egalitarianism. But with Islamic terrorists as the opposite pole, when potential opponents are drawn to the opposite pole, what are they idolizing? The most backward and fascistic forces - the very people Saudi Arabia and US used to destroy the secular state in Afghanistan. So these jihad terrorists, the most brutal killers, who condone violence against women, whose definition of democracy is enforcing the Quran, who advocate religious war - these fanatics become the heroes for kids who want to change the world. What a nightmare. * BORISLAV MILOSEVIC It is a difficult situation. Regarding this, let me say something about the war on terror. We in Yugoslavia consider September 11th a tragic event. Perhaps your readers are not aware of the horrific destruction done to my country [during the NATO attack on Yugoslavia]. This was a war of terror. It was launched to support terrorists in Kosovo. And it was conducted by planes dropping bombs, often encased in uranium, from a great height, not by troops on the ground. Terrible destruction, massive killings, environmental devastation. And all carried out from a great height. Against a country which hadn't invaded or threatened anyone. So this too was terror. (15) But we take no satisfaction regarding Sept. 11. On the contrary, we sympathize with those who have suffered in the US. It is understandable that people in your country would have strong reactions when those terrible events happened last September. But now time has passed. A more thoughtful approach may be taken. A road of peace may be pursued. I hope that people in your country will think deeply about these questions. It is very important to the world. * JARED ISRAEL Thank you, Mr. Ambassador. * BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [In English] OK, Israel. It was very very big pleasure for me and I am very pleased to contact to you like this and thank you very much. Very big pleasure for me. * JARED ISRAEL Well, thank your mother and father for having produced two men who have contributed so much to the world. * BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [Laughs. Says in English]: Don't overestimate things. * JARED ISRAEL But it's the truth. Where would we be without Serbia? You resisted. What can I say? The Serbs seem to do it every time. *** Join our email list at http://emperors-clothes.com/f.htm Receive articles posted on Emperor's Clothes. Click here to email the link to this article to a friend. Further Reading: 1) 'MEDIA MISREPRESENTATION OF MILOSEVIC'S WORDS: A REVIEW OF THE EVIDENCE,' by Professor Francisco Gil-White can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/gw.htm 2) 'Milosevic Speech at Kosovo Field (1989),' can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/milosaid.html 3) 'BY ADDING THREE LIES, ONE DOES NOT GET THE TRUTH - ONLY A BIGGER LIE,' is a statement Slobodan Milosevic made during a pre-'trial' hearing at The Hague. It contradicts what one might expect Milosevic to say, based on his portrait as drawn in the Western media. Can be read at http://www.icdsm.org/milosevic/30jan.htm#1 4) In the classic text, 'Seeing Yugoslavia Through a Dark Glass: Politics, Media and the Ideology of Globalization,' Diana Johnstone quotes a semi-internal publication of the very anti-Milosevic International Crisis Group which states that Albanian secessionists in fact boycotted Albanian-language institutions in Serbia (as opposed to having been deprived of such cultural institutions by supposed racists, as they and the Western media claimed.) In other words, they and the Western 'experts' lied. The relevant quote is at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/Johnstone/1yugo.htm#kspring Ms. Johnstone's article is generally instructive in seeing through the dark glass of misinformation about Yugoslavia. 4a) Speaking of 'provocative images,' in 'Art in the New World Order,' written in spring of 2000, a news photographer discusses the amazing fact that from 1998 to 2000 virtually all the top photojournalism awards were given for pictures of crying Kosovo Albanian women. What will future generations make of this? Can be read (and sample prize winning photos can be seen) at http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/artinthe.htm 5) "Afghan Operation Leaves Russia 'Encircled' by US and NATO," by Sergey Ptichkin and Aleksey Chichkin can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/encircle.htm 6) 'Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden Story,' by Jared Israel can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm 6a) 'Bush & the Media Cover up the Jihad Schoolbook Scandal,' By Jared Israel at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm 7) 'Did any major power NOT fund the Kostunica campaign?' can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/news/everybody's.htm 8) 'The Black Hole,' by Petar Makara documents that 'Yugoslavia' was removed from the Britanica when the existence of said country became politically incorrect. Can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/multiple/blackhole.html 9) Alijah Izetbegovic was portrayed in the Western media as a moderate in favor of a multiethnic Bosnia. Nothing could be further from the truth. For a revealing quote from his book, "Islamic Declaration," and a bit on his role during World War II, see "JOE LIEBERMAN - APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA" at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm#1 10) 'The Other Side of the Story,' by Dusan Vilic and Bosko Todorovic. Written by two retired Yugoslav generals with access to never-before released army orders, this truly amazing book documents the ways the Yugoslav Army strove to fight NATO-backed terrorists in a civilian-friendly way, thus demonstrating that contrary to Chomsky, counter-terrorism need not equal terror. The issue of civilian relations is discussed throughout including in chapter seven which can be accessed at http://emperors-clothes.com/book/book7.htm The book can be accessed in full, or, for quicker loading, chapter-by-chapter, starting with chapter one. For whole book go to http://www.icdsm.org/more/book.htm or for chapter one (with link to chapter two, and so on) go to http://emperors-clothes.com/book/book1.htm 11) 'Congressman: U.S. Set Up Anti-Taliban to be Slaughtered,' includes text of Congressional hearing and comments by Jared Israel. Go to http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/rohr.htm 12) DOS stands for Democratic Opposition of Serbia, a charming use of language, since these 'democrats' overthrew the elected Yugoslav government and burned the Parliament and these 'Serbs' were given what were in Serbian terms astronomical amounts of money by the US and other states in the new Empire in exchange for 'their' nation. For more information, see these two texts, which also have useful references found in 'sections marked Footnotes' or 'Further Reading': * a) "Kostunica Says Some Backers 'Unconsciously work for American Imperial Goals...'" at http://emperors-clothes.com/news/erlang.htm [Includes the infamous remark that the US shipped 'suitcases of cash' to DOS] * b) 'US Arrogance and Yugoslav Elections' at http://emperors-clothes.com/engl.htm 13) On NATO's use of UN-paid terrorists to attack Macedonia see: "SORRY, VIRGINIA, BUT THEY ARE NATO TROOPS, NOT 'REBELS'" at http://emperors-clothes.com/mac/times.htm [Note - If you are not familiar with what has been done to Macedonia, the phrase "UN-paid terrorists" may sound like the worst hyperbole. But read the article and you will see that it is understatement.] 14) For documentation of claim that much of Taliban has been incorporated into the new Afghan Army, go to http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/oil-1.htm#1 15) In 'Death on a Very Small Planet' we have posted strikingly similar pictures of the destruction caused by September 11th and by NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. Can be viewed at http://www.emperors-clothes.com/1/rem.htm Subscribe to the ICDSM email list at http://www.icdsm.org/maillist.htm Receive texts posted at www.icdsm.org The Defense of Milosevic - and the Truth - Needs Your Help! NATO has billions of dollars and the media to spread lies. We have the truth, supported by hundreds of millions of people. To develop legal, educational, parliamentary and other work, our Committee needs donations, large or small, from those who want to get the truth to the people. 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