On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 05:13:24PM -0800, Joe Mistachkin wrote: > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > zsh: sports metaphor not found > > > > Sorry, I was attempting to inject some humor into this discussion because > it has grown very tedious.
I guess you didn't find my rejoinder amusing. > > > > HDDs also suffer wear and tear during I/O operations, and new SSDs easily > > last long enough that, relative to HDDs, this should no longer be any > > kind of problem. In fact, the major problem is not that SSDs have a > > limited number of writes; so do HDDs. The "problem" is that you can know > > in advance how many you have, while with HDDs it's a roll of the dice. > > My original point of doing (potentially several GB of) superfluous file I/O > still stands. . . . unless you pay attention to what I said. > > > > It's not just bikeshedding if it's a matter of actual tool usability. > > Funny, I've been using Fossil for years and this usability "problem" has > never bothered me. In fact, quite the opposite. The point has been made many times that the usability issue under discussion is relevant to certain people, while certain others may not experience the same issue. The question under discussion is how to determine which is the more important group to satisfy, which to some extent involves an estimate of numbers. Considering the number of new users who have not yet started using Fossil but might some day, and who are quite familiar with both Unix environments and other VCSes newer than CVS, combined with the number of current users who find the current behavior of `mv` and `rm` somewhat confounding, is surely much greater than the number of people currently using Fossil who never encounter other VCSes and Unix environments to give a crap, I fall on the "we should change things" side of the debate. > > > > . . . which works great for new users! Oh, wait, no it doesn't. > > There is always a learning curve for new users, however slight. I suppose that means we should make the curve as steep as possible, regardless of whether it actually buys us anything, then. Right? If they can't hack it, let them use rcs instead. They can eat cake while they're at it. > > > > I've read them all. It was easy. > > I didn't want to read them all. Okay. Why didn't you say so in the first place? > > > > Because *you* never really interact with the rest of the world, the fact > > the rest of us do is irrelevant, I guess. It's all about you. > > I'm growing increasingly tired of your attempts to insult me. That's not an insult. It's marveling at your egocentric dismissal of everyone in the world with a different computing experience than you, which some of the rest of us might find insulting if we were as thin skinned as you. > > > > Your lack of experience with those other systems does not in any way > > invalidate the question. > > I never stated that I lack experience with those other systems; however, > I use them only very rarely. That's a lack of experience, just as a trial lawyer of twenty years would refer to my involvement in Youth In Government twenty years ago in the trial law part of the program as a lack of experience. I don't really consider occasional dilettentes "experienced" in a significant sense. Really, I think the thing that irks me most about many of the arguments on your side of the debate is their condescending dismissal of the possibility that someone might have a meaningful argument for changing the behavior of `mv` and `rm` Fossil commands, even if it is not deemed compelling enough to change things by core contributors. In previous emails, by contrast, I have tried to address concerns of those who disagree with me on the overall desirability of the proposed changes by suggesting deprecation followed by eventual change in accord with semantic versioning. Others have made similar suggestions to try to satisfy everyone involved. You, meanwhile, have taken the position of "Screw you and the horse you rode in on; you can have some other command instead that doesn't actually address core concerns you've raised." Perhaps you should think about that before blowing people's concerns off as meaningless and accusing them of insulting you. Even if someone has insulted you, that doesn't justify your own insulting lack of regard for anyone who might not have exactly the same software usage habits as you. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] _______________________________________________ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
