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Also, how do we define the right balance? In the Ubuntu GNOME example, I would consider the project to be both part of the Ubuntu and GNOME communities, so imho, it should be entitled to use our trademark. As far as I can see*, you're right that we should let them use the GNOME logo, but not for that reason. A trademark or logo is a way to express a message (in this case, "This is GNOME"), and the decision is when we want someone to be allowed to say that. I think we want that message to be expressed in this case, so we would do well to say "Yes, you can use this logo". As far as I can see*, there is no reason to ask them to _change_ the logo; that would not serve our purposes, only interfere. * I say "As far as I can see" because the so far discussion has mostly not addressed the question, "What decision about Ubuntu's version of GNOME is best for GNOME?" Thus, no real effort has been made yet to find cogent arguments against letting them use the unmodified logo. Once people address this question, maybe someone will point out a valid argument against. But I don't think so. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list