Are you saying that we are like the answer to the crossword clue "people who date themselves?" namely, introverts! I love English; it's so precise. :)
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:50 PM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > OK so yeah we’re really dating ourselves here on this list. The last > release that Chris had for the ToC Breaker . . . Drumroll please. It was > FrameMaker 11 - yep, you read that right. > > Anyway I’ve already reached out to Rick Quatro and have popped another > idea in his head for another script. > > Thank you everyone once again! > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:21 PM, tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com < > tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > > > > Yes, that is the name that I remember! > > Thank you!!! > > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > >> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography> > wrote: > >> > >> Cudspan's "tocbreaker" might be the magic tool. Try a web search. > >> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:06 PM Heiko Haida <i...@heiko-haida.de> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you prepare a title text with some nonbreaking spaces (that do not > >>> bother in the place where the title is) according to your idea how this > >>> should look like in the TOC, the text then will always keep together in > >>> the TOC when regenerated. > >>> This may help, or at least may help for most of the lines in the TOC. > >>> > >>> Of course, this is not such a good idea if the text has to be > translated > >>> to other languages where the line breaks have to be set differently. > >>> > >>> Best regards --- Tino H. Haida, Berlin > >>> > >>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com: > >>> > >>>> OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll, > I > >>>> am gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses > >>>> of my aging mind. > >>>> > >>>> Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC > (based > >>>> on the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually > >>>> adding the needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I > >>>> loathe doing it every time I produce a final book because either I > >>>> forget to do it or I miss a line or two. > >>>> > >>>> Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this > >>>> for you? > >>>> > >>>> If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right > direction > >>>> (other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I > >>>> would most appreciate it. > >>>> > >>>> TIA, > >>>> > >>>> TVB > >>>> > >>>> Tammy Van Boening > >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1] > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Framers <framers- > >>>> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc....@lists.frameusers.com> On > >>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold > >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM > >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > >>>> <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue > >>>> > >>>> Great news! Thanks to Rick! > >>>> > >>>> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA > >>>> bug, that > >>>> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks. > >>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do > >>>> contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem > >>>> to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago > >>>> and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented) > >>>> punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the > >>>> ToC). > >>>> > >>>> Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of > >>>> the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was > >>>> taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the > >>>> character didn't begin the link, all was OK. > >>>> > >>>> Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will > >>>> solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user > >>>> (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about > >>>> this little gem anyway. > >>>> Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post > >>>> to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn > >>>> so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can > >>>> come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience. > >>>> > >>>> Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays. > >>>> > >>>> TVB > >>>> > >>>> Tammy Van Boening > >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1] > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Framers <framers- > >>>> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc....@lists.frameusers.com> On > >>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold > >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM > >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > >>>> <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue > >>>> > >>>> Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem > >>>> paragraphs, to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, > >>>> try > >>>> deleting or; hiding the bad ones one with a condition. > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit. > >>>> Have you tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book > >>>> materials, > >>>> then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide > >>>> it, to ignore the placeholder, and regen. > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com < > >>>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> 😀😀 > >>>> > >>>> What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . . > >>>> And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port > >>>> in a storm. . . > >>>> > >>>> Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my > >>>> rescue in these frustrating situations, so I'm waiting to hear > >>>> back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . . > >>>> > >>>> Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point > >>>> I'm so > >>>> frustrated) but not to me! > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible > >>>> <rentagoodb...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> Tammy, > >>>>> I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried > >>>>> everything I > >>>> would > >>>> > >>>>> have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation), > >>>>> but as a workaround, can you manually create these links in > >>>>> Acrobat after the > >>>> fact? To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch... > >>>> > >>>> Good luck! > >>>> -Lise > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com > >>>> < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Craig, > >>>> > >>>> No there is no difference in the character formatting between > >>>> these five entries and any of the other same type of entries in the > >>> TOC. > >>> > >>>> All the EquationCaption paragraph tags are formatted > >>>> identically > >>> without > >>> > >>>> any overrides or additional character settings. > >>>> > >>>> But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely > >>>> welcome them. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you! > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede <craig...@hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of > >>>> these 5 lines being used for the TOC? > >>>> Craig Ed > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede= > >>> hotmail....@lists.frameusers.com> > >>> > >>>> on behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com < > >>>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 > AM > >>>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > >>>> <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > >>>> Subject: [Framers] TOC issue > >>>> > >>>> OK, > >>>> > >>>> Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing > >>>> to solve this issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss. I have a book > >>>> for > >>>> which I am generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary > >>>> paragraph tags for the TOC and generated. All the entries in the TOC > >>>> are functioning as > >>>> hyperlinks as they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. > >>>> They are > >>>> deader than a door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five > >>>> entries > >>>> is an active hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 > is > >>>> also an > >>> active > >>> > >>>> hyperlink. > >>>> > >>>> I have done the following: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it. > >>>> 2. Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - > >>> the > >>> > >>>> text is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing > >>>> for > >>> them.) > >>> > >>>> 3. Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the > >>> book > >>> > >>>> to check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text > >>>> that was causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions > >>>> turned on, I still > >>> have > >>> > >>>> the issue. > >>>> 4. Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly > >>> above > >>> > >>>> and directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and > >>>> regenerated and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but > these > >>>> 5 > >>>> remain stubbornly dead. > >>>> 5. All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that > >>> maybe > >>> > >>>> there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant > >>>> graphics and regenerated and again, the links are still dead. > >>>> > >>>> I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small > >>>> section in an otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so > >>>> there's nothing common > >>> about > >>> > >>>> this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book > >>>> as no > >>> other > >>> > >>>> sections are giving me this problem. > >>>> > >>>> I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> TVB > >>>> > >>>> Tammy Van Boening > >>>> > >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >>>> > >>>> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > >>>> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > >>>> and unsubscribe at > >>>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com 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