Hi all--
Quick correction. We are indeed projecting the film at 18fps, as David noted
in a previous post (thanks David). According to warholstars.org, this makes
the runtime for SLEEP approximately 4hrs and 45mins, as opposed to 5hrs 21mins
at 16fps.(http://www.warholstars.org/filmch/sleep.html)
Very sorry for the confusion ---- the write-up should have specified this.
Best,
Josh
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From: Myron Ort <z...@sonic.net>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
Lantern + RK Projects
I always thought that the dual speed 16mm projectors were 24fps and
16fps. 18fps was a speed on the Super 8 projectors and dual 8/S8
projectors. Was sound speed for S8/reg.8mm also 24fps? I think it
was, but not sure now.
I am quite sure that silent speed was 16 fps back when, at least that
is what I believed and still believe. My 16mm Bolex has 16fps in red
(the only speed so designated), but also has an 18fps speed, along
with 24,32,64, and 12fps.
Of course the variable speed projectors of the earlier generation
gave you all kind of choice including burning up your films.
and my hand crank 35mm full frame lunchbox cameras have whatever I
want, or a somewhat crazy spring wind too.
I was out the other night filming the stars with the hand crank using
bizarre micro slow motion mime skills until I froze and had to be
carried further north closer to the equator to thaw out....never
mind....I was thinking of Pablo.
Interesting idea though , now that I think of it. The slowest hand
crank film of all time.....
So many unrealized cinematic possibilities racing against the total
demise of the medium.........I guess we are all up against that.
I think there was at least one old 35mm movie camera way back that
could actually crank backwards......
the problem usually is that there is no "take up" tension when you
crank backwards for more than a foot or so....... I am still
experimenting....
On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:10 AM, David Tetzlaff wrote:
>> Never mind. It looks like they are projecting at 16fps.
>> excellent.
>
> Actually, they're projecting it at 18fps. They have an Eiki with a
> silent speed pulley, which runs at 18fps, and they're borrowing my
> Pageant 250S for the second projector, which also has a silent
> speed of 18fps. (I've checked the manuals for both of them. Graflex
> dual speed models also run at 18fps and 24fps.)
>
> Now, before actually CHECKING this stuff, I had always thought
> 16fps was the proper speed for 16mm silent, and that the silent
> speed on a Pageant was 16fps.
>
> So does anyone on the list know more about this? Were the old, old
> silent-speed-only 16mm projectors 16fps, and did they change it to
> 18 to make projectors that could switch speeds more practical, or
> something like that? Does it have anything to do with 18fps being
> set as the speed for Super-8? Were there ever dual speed projectors
> that ran at 16fps and 24fps? Or has it always been 18fps for
> silent, and somehow Myron and I have suffered from some collective
> 16fps illusion?
>
> just curious...
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