'Unsere Afrika Reise' by Peter Kubelka is a wonderful experimental film leaving behind a bitter taste and a feeling of disgust for people killing for fun in Africa; I'm not sure if there's elephants in there, but maybe it brings your love for experimental films and preservation together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATUUtoipuc
Brecht. ___________________________________________________ www.exprmntl.be https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exprmntl/246769998683245 On 19 Mar 2013, at 15:33, David Baker wrote: > I need to be clear and then I'll be quiet. > > I am not interested in thinking of ways to kill elephants. > > I stand in awe and wonder in front of all animals endangered and otherwise, > I love all the living creatures of this planet. > Right now today the Elephant is being wiped out with a brutality and efficacy > not seen since we Americans destroyed the buffalo. > > A tiny group of human beings think that by making films > about what is happening they may be able to educate > those who would kill the elephants and those who buy ivory to the horror and > stop the killing. > > The people who make the films are here: > > http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate > > African Environmental Film Foundation. > > ( As a point of information, in the African Elephants I am specifically > speaking about, > both male and female have tusks.) > > -DB > > PS: where is Chris Marker when I need him? > > > > > On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Sandra Maliga wrote: > >> Not "advocating". I don't want to see any elephants killed. I have no >> interest in ivory. I can't understand how there could be people who do not >> understand that elephants should never be killed. BUt there are. There are >> people who lie for money and people who listen to them. Moreover people who >> like ivory have no respect for the law. And the laws are not enforced. >> >> So what can be done? >> >> As I understand the Chinese, they are pretty pragmatic, if I can generalize. >> Maybe taking action to propose a way to get legitimate ivory could deflect >> some of the interest in illegal ivory. Prohibition leads to crime, >> legalizing and controlling is better. >> >> When elephants could live and flourish in the wild there were natural deaths >> that left tusks. If a herd was provided with space to thrive tusks could >> occasionally be found. If the space was limited humans might be able to >> reverently "cull " the herd by painlessly killing "extra" males and >> gathering their tusks. A mother with young would never be killed by rational >> "keepers." >> >> Poachers are not concerned with keeping elephants alive; they care only for >> short term profit. Poaching must be illegal. Murdering mother elephants >> must be illegal. >> >> Perhaps another possibility is to pressure the Chinese government to enforce >> the laws. I went to the Chinese news in English - CCTV site >> http://passport.cntv.cn/app_pass/verify/english/new/login.jsp?errtype=-5# >> >> and they have articles about the threats to elephants. So some Chinese >> are aware. How do THEY propose to get the word out to those who buy ivory? >> >> - Sandy >> >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sandra Maliga <neor...@e.com> wrote: >> >>> This is tragic and infuriating. >>> >>> Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If >>> elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in >>> China? Get the word out. >>> >>> Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd? They >>> could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd >>> needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price >>> ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior. >>> >>> Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save >>> animals. How about showing some documentaries in China? How about a >>> message on every cell phone in China? I'd give money for that. >>> >>> - Sandy Maliga >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Esteemed cohorts everyone, >>>> >>>> What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants. >>>> I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild. >>>> I love the complexity of elephant societies. >>>> >>>> Something amazing to read is: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition >>>> >>>> Something important to see is: >>>> National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013) >>>> >>>> I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to >>>> these animals right now, today. >>>> More Elephants are being killed >>>> than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth. >>>> The numbers of those massacred are crazy. >>>> Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered. >>>> The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a >>>> frenzy. >>>> Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds. >>>> China is the problem. >>>> The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved >>>> luxury goods. >>>> >>>> If there is hope it might be through FILM. >>>> >>>> Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks >>>> elephant tusks fall out naturally. >>>> They call them elephant teeth. >>>> Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last best >>>> hope. >>>> >>>> The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a >>>> difference. >>>> Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant >>>> compassionate human being who does >>>> please go here: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate >>>> >>>> or here >>>> >>>> http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are a teacher please share this with your students. >>>> Time is of the essence. >>>> The force of human compassion is the solution. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html >>>> >>>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants >>>> >>>> http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html >>>> >>>> -David Baker >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> Sandy Maliga >>> >>> 4763 Toland Way >>> Los Angeles, CA 90042-2255 >>> >>> 323.898.6331 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> Sandy Maliga >> >> 4763 Toland Way >> Los Angeles, CA 90042-2255 >> >> 323.898.6331 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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