Thanks Gene, couldn’t have said it better myself, at least not without quoting Marx.
As for WWBM: Jane relaxing in the bathtub? Jane and Stan kissing, nuzzling? (of course from one point of view, that could be seen as labor, work…sex for food, clothing, shelter…) but let’s just stick with women’s unpaid domestic labor for now. Chuck On May 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Gene Youngblood <ato...@comcast.net<mailto:ato...@comcast.net>> wrote: I realize this is far too abstract for the goals of the original request, but let us not forget that labor and leisure are never separate. Not merely that one defines the other, but that under capitalism, leisure is part of labor. It’s an essential aspect of it. From: Adam Hyman<mailto:a...@lafilmforum.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:00 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Films about labor and leisure--by women Absolutely, I was just wanting to not lose track of the original request. For example, I don’t really recall any “leisure” in Window Water Baby Moving, at least not as the original poster seemed to be looking for. Sorry about the tone of my original post; I have no intent to be the list police; just wanting to keep things useful for the question. But that’s not my place either. Best regards, Adam On 5/13/14 3:43 PM, "Chuck Kleinhans" <chuck...@northwestern.edu<mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>> wrote: Perhaps you haven’t seen these films and don’t realize they also depict leisure. On May 13, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Adam Hyman <a...@lafilmforum.org<mailto:a...@lafilmforum.org>> wrote: The original request was :LABOR AND LEISURE TOGETHER." Not just "labor" On 5/13/14 8:17 AM, "Chuck Kleinhans" <chuck...@northwestern.edu<mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>> wrote: If we could think about domestic labor, there¹s a whole lot of other films, many by women, to consider: Chantal Akerman, Jeanne Dielman 23 quai de Commerce Gunvor Nelson and Dorothy Wiley, SCHMEERGUNTZ Carolee Schneeman, Kitch¹s Last Meal Lizzie Borden, Working Girls Michelle Citron, Queer Fest (interactive media) Marjorie Keller, Misconception (and many other films by her) Joyce Weiland, Water Sark Chick Strand, Fake Fruit Laura Kipnis, Ecstasy Unlimited and all birth films, even those made by men like Water Window Baby Moving, contain representations of women¹s labor/women in labor and many many more films if we think about women¹s emotional labor in dealing with the family, or a man Chuck Kleinhans ________________________________ _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu<mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>
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