Chuck Robey wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote:
>
>>On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote:
>>
>>>     I know everyone says "they all work" but i'd like some recommendations on
>>>MP machines for -CURRENT work.  I'll be ordering one this week.
>>>
>>There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness).
>>http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html.  It comes in multiple
>>flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit
>>PCI, 1 AGP version.  You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG
>>model.  Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP')
>>CPU's and it is a totally solid system.  Various FreeBSD committers also
>>have this system.
>>
>>There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X.
>>http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html
>>
>
>"more economic" is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the
>features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a
>fixed onboard usb port.  The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD
>chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel
>of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card,
>which ate up one of your PCI slots.  The K7X has a repaired on-board usb,
>so you get that PCI slot back.
>
   That was a problem with the 760MPX chipset, the Thunder K7 uses the
   earlier 760MP which doesn't have that problem.

>
>
>The main difference in the updated chipset is the fact that the 64 bit PCI
>slots now run at double-speed, giving double the throughput.  No change
>for the 32 bit PCI slots.  At least for me, the main usage of the 64 bit
>slot would be the disk; seeing as both the K7 and the K7X can be had with
>a very nice dual channel Adaptec Ultra160 controller, which means you
>don't use the 64 bit PCI slot for disk, that kills that.   Added cost
>for the controller is about $100, not a bad deal.
>
>I think the K7 had only AGP; the K7X has AGP-Pro; doesn't mean much yet,
>but if you're a gaming maven, maybe it'll be important pretty quickly now.
>
  Both has AGP-Pro.

>
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