On 17 Jan 2012, at 21:09, Warner Losh wrote:

> 
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:12 AM, John Kozubik wrote:
>> Again, I'm not suggesting more snapshots - I am suggesting more real, bona 
>> fide releases.  This will help people.
> 
> I tend to agree with you.  Our release engineering process isn't serving the 
> needs of users as much as it once did.  When Walnut Creek was running release 
> engineering, we had releases often because they wanted to make money from 
> their subscriptions.  This produced reasonably spaced minor releases and 
> except for 4-5, decently spaced major releases.  Even after the torch passed 
> from walnut creek to others, there was still either residual pressures to 
> make the releases happen, or inherited mindset that keep on the same pace.
> 
> Today we have lost our way.  We have no major vendor pushing the process 
> along to make it happen faster. 

What exactly did the major vendor to push things along? Keep nagging?

I'd have thought PC-BSD and iXsystems are the natural people to to take over 
that role in any
case.   The FreeBSD foundation seems  less interested in the "for end-users" 
angle as well.

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