----- Original Message ----- From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Interesting stuff so:
1. How to we test if this is happening?

Calculate by hand what the offset of the striped/raid part of the disk is (ie: take slice+partition stats into account).

How's that done? An explained example would be good.

3. Why would this be effecting reads and not writes as surely the same
blocking is being done for both?

Write on RAID5 uses a cache which lies to you about when things are safely stored on the disk.

Your assuming I have cache on the card I dont. So the question still remains.

Good RAID5 has battery backup for that cache.

The MBR slice format is stupid because it more often than not gets
this exactly wrong.  Typically there are 63 "sectors per track" and
that ruins any alignment in 99% of the cases.

Surely if this is know about it would be something that should have been fixed ages ago as it will be crippling everyone.

Sysinstall, fdisk and bsdlabel should know about all this and try
to help the user get it right.  Fixing them to do so may be more
trouble than writing a better too bottom up.

Ok from what your saying it sounds like RAID on FreeBSD is useless apart to create large disks. Now to the damaging facts the results from my two days worth of testing:

*FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT*
H/W RAID5 ( 5 disk ) 16kb Stripe
Write: 137Mb/s
Read: 131Mb/s

*FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE*
H/W RAID5 16kb Stripe
Write: 138Mb/s
Read: 130Mb/s

H/W RAID5 32kb Stripe
Write: 137Mb/s
Read: 115Mb/s

H/W RAID5 64kb Stripe (Default )
Write: 139Mb/s
Read: 88Mb/s

H/W RAID5 1M Stripe
Write: 141Mb/s
Read: 51Mb/s

S/W RAID5 Default Stripe ( vinum )
Write: 6Mb/s
Read: 23Mb/s

*FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE*
H/W RAID5 16kb Strip
Write: 138Mb/s
Read: 130Mb/s

*Linux ( Suse 9.1 )*
H/W RAID5 16kb Stripe
Write: 105Mb/s
Read: 137Mb/s

H/W RAID5 32kb Stripe
Write: 112Mb/s
Read: 182Mb/s

H/W RAID5 64kb Stripe ( Default )
Write: 120Mb/s
Read: 122Mb/s

H/W RAID5 1M Stripe
Write: 117Mb/s
Read: 102Mb/s

S/W RAID5 Default Stripe ( Linux RAID )
Write: 269Mb/s
Read: 259Mb/s

*Summary / Conclusions*
1. Linux on this controller disk set is significantly quicker using H/W RAID
logging a max read rate of 182Mb/s compared to 131Mb/s for FreeBSD.
2. The version of FreeBSD used ( for this controller ) didn't have any
significant difference on performance, they where all poor.
3. Software RAID in linux totally blows away all the other configurations
logging a max sustained read rate of 259Mb/s and write of 269Mb/s which
shows the disks / controller are capable of producing the expected good
performance. In comparison FreeBSD's vinum is not even worth using.
N.B. vinum's extremely poor performance could have been down to poor
default config but there are no performance tuning details to be found in
the docs.

*Test method / Hardware*
Dual 244 Opteron
2Gb ECC RAM
Highpoint 1820a controller in a PCI-X 133Mhz  Slot
5 x Seagate 400GB SATA disks

Write ( 6Gb ):
dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/testfile bs=64k count=100000
Read ( 6Gb ):
dd if=/mnt/testfile of=/dev/null bs=64k count=100000
and the following to check if block size was affecting / to test a typical
app read.
/usr/bin/time -h cat /mnt/testfile > /dev/null

All tests where done on a empty formatted partition 100Gb in size,
on a freshly initialised RAID5 array. OS was on an independent
disk off the motherboard ( not connected to the raid controller ).
All partitions / file system creation was done using the OS default
tool i.e. FreeBSD: sysinstall, Suse: yast

Note: FreeBSD 4.11 sysinstall's label was not functional on this array
so it was created with a manual disklabel + newfs


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