Sorry, for top posting. Can you verify your feelings by numbers?
--Gordon On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:53:33AM -0500, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Hi, I've been with FreeBSD since 386BSD 0.0new. Always tried to run > everything on it. I saw us lose the epic race against Linux over the > stupid BSDI lawsuit. But now I'm afraid I am witnessing the complete > fading of FreeBSD from relevance in the marketplace as the performance > of FreeBSD on AWS EC2 (and as I see in the chatter from other "cloud" > platforms) falls far behind that of Linux. Not by a few % points, but > by factors if not an order of magnitude! > > The motto "the power to serve" meant that FreeBSD was the most solid > and consistently performing system for heavy multi-tasking network > and disk operation. A single thread was allowed to do better on another > OS without us feeling shame, but overall you could rely on FreeBSD > being your best choice to overall server performance. > > The world has changed. We used to run servers on bare metal in a cage > in physical data center. I did that. A year or two of instability with > the FreeBSD drivers for new beefy hardware didn't scare me off. > > Now the cost and flexibility calculations today changed the market > away from bare metal to those "cloud" service providers, Amazon AWS > (>38% market share), Azure (19% market share), and many others. I > still remember searching for "hosting" providers who would > offer FreeBSD (or any BSD) as an option and it was hard to find. On > Amazon AWS we have the FreeBSD image ready to launch, that is good. > > But the problem is, it's disk (and network?) performance is bad (to > horrible) and it's really sad and embarrassing. Leaving FreeBSD beaten > far behind and for realistic operations, it's impossible to use, despite > being so much better organized than Linux. I have put significant > investment into a flexible scalable FreeBSD image only to find now that I > just cannot justify using FreeBSD when Linux out of the box is several > times faster. > > There have been few problem reports about this over many years, and > they all end the same way: either no response, or defensive response > ("your measures are invalid"), with the person reporting the problem > eventually walking away with no solution. Disinterest. I can link to > those instances. Examples: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2009-February/003677.html > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/aws-disk-i-o-performance-xbd-vs-nvd.74751/ > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/aws-ec2-ena-poor-network-performance-low-pps.77093/#post-492744 > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/poor-php-and-python-performances.72427/ > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-was-once-the-power-to-server-but-in-an-aws-world-we-have-fallen-way-waaay-behind-and-there-seems-no-interest-to-fix-it.78738/page-2 > > My intention is not to rant, vent, proselytize to Linux (I hate Linux) > but to see what is wrong with FreeBSD? And how it can be fixed? Why does > it seem nobody is interested in getting the dismal AWS EC2 performance > resolved? This looks to me like a vicious cycle: FreeBSD on AWS is > bad so nobody will use it for any real work, and because nobody uses it > there is no interest in making it work well. In addition there is no interest > on the side of FreeBSD people to make it better. It's got to be the lack > of interest, not of anyone not having access to the AWS EC2 hardware. > > What can be done? I am trying to run a company, so I cannot justify playing > with this for much longer shooting in the dark. If I wasn't the boss myself, > my boss would have long told me to quit this nonsense and use Linux. > If I saw interest, I could justify holding out just a little longer. But > I don't see any encouraging feedback. Is there anyone at all in the FreeBSD > dev or FreeBSD.org as an organization interested in actually being competitive > in the AWS EC2 space (and other virtualization "clouds")? If so, how many? > How can this be fixed? How can I help? I cannot justify spending too much > more of my own time on it, but I could help making resources available > or paying for someone who has both a sense of great urgency to redeem > FreeBSD and the know-how to make it happen. > > regards, > -Gunther > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" --
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