On 01/18/13 05:55, Jakub Lach wrote:
You are missing my point. Opera couldn't just outright stop 'supporting' Java plug-ins (more like Java content, believe it or not, but using plug-in or JRE is secondary here), but they are not ones responsible for this environment deployment.
No, I don't think I did miss your point. The Opera developers didn't, from the OP, they switched from JRE to plug-ins. The Opera developers can be the only ones because they are the only ones developing Opera. Certainly Oracle isn't forcing anyone to use the plug-in over the run-time environment.
I know FreeBSD as a project should document to the it's best ability all possible use cases one could be forced into (including using Java plug-in). I think it does good job mostly.
I think they do an excellent job.
<rant> That doesn't stop me from a little rant on the side, though... And hopefully it goes my way: http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javaruntime/all/all But that doesn't stop people from installing plug-in en masse, which starts to defy reason: http://www.statowl.com/plugin_overview.php <rant/>
To be honest, I'm not interested in plug-in-vs.-run-time-environment arguments. Having been knee-deep in the browser wars and having advocated Linux (and more recently, FreeBSD) over any other operating system, I just couldn't give a rip about any such arguments over anything else (including OS and browser preference) anymore. I'm more in the "best tool for the job, with a favoring of copyfree licensing over any other all else being equal" camp now-a-days. If something stops supporting something I felt critical, if there is a better (or technically equal but better licensed) alternative, I'll just switch to it. It just happens to be the OP wanted Jave RE for Opera instead of the plug-in model and may have found a hackity-hack way of doing so despite the Opera people moving to the plug-in model. Given your view of plugins, if you don't want to extend the functionality of your browser through them, that's fine. You may even have a point about their awful security. I have no such concerns. Not because I have no concerns about security, but because I take other steps to mitigate my exposure to malicious web sites.
Also, I'm partially insulted by your logic that somehow installing a plug-in of any sort "defies reason." There are many reasons people will install the Java plugin. I happen to want to be able to play Runescape (a very popular browser-based MMO). That and the fact some other websites (like, last time I visited, the Small Business Administration website along with a few others) do use Java, I would like to be able to view them (it's the same reason I use Flash, not because I like it, but because it's necessary for my being able to visit various websites).
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