On 1/26/14 5:25 AM, Big Lebowski wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Jim Ohlstein <j...@ohlste.in
<mailto:j...@ohlste.in>> wrote:
Hello,
On 1/25/14, 9:04 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
On 1/25/14 3:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Yuri <y...@rawbw.com
<mailto:y...@rawbw.com>> wrote:
On 01/25/2014 14:44, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
The key seems to be that no one has time to do the
stuff they really
want
to do (get new ports into the system)... to that
end automating
everything
that can be automated is sure help free up
comitter time so they can
look
at what is interesting
Yes. I just can't imagine any generic port tests that
can't be automated
and coded into the script once and for good.
Ideal system should be like github with the added
automated testing
between pull request submission and merge. It should
either fail and
notify
the submitter, or succeed and notify the committers.
Git hup (or *ANY* remote service for that matter) is a no
go IMO
You just don't get it.
Again, you just really, really, don't get it.
You WANT a gateway to a remote service that the project does
not have to
handle.
Why? Because then we offload the problem to another org.
The FreeBSD project should be about innovation in OS design,
platform
and software. Ops work is bunk and just slows us down.
The more we can outsource the better we'll be. (and what if that
service blows up? well we move on! it's simple!)
Continuing to insist that we run the services ourselves it
just wasting
our limited resources. Not only that but we get emotionally
attached to
technologies that are old, dying and dead when off the shelf
stuff works
just fine.
I've read all 60 or so messages in this thread and there really
are two related but distinct issues here.
The thread title is "What is the problem with ports PR reaction
delays?". This has meandered into a philosophical debate about who
knows what and who knows squat about version control systems,
whether we need to maintain certain requirements, testing ports, etc.
I like the KISS approach myself. This can be boiled down to those
two issues, one of which is a symptom of the other. Arguing and
debating over a long term solution to the OP's question does
nothing to solve the problem in the short to intermediate term.
There are 1680 current ports related PR's at this moment.
As we all know, the committers are volunteers, mostly with real
jobs and real lives and they obviously cannot keep up with the
current load. The short to medium term solution for that is more
committers. I'll add my name to the list of those who are willing
to step in and help to clean up the mess. I'm certain that if a
request went out, there would be many who are more qualified than I.
At the same time, a group of interested individuals should offer
input to the folks who already are looking at changing the bug
reporting system away from gnats -
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Bugtracking/BugRelocationPlan. Doing it
in one fell swoop might make sense. It's "ripping off the bandaid"
but I'd rather do it only once myself.
What does *not* make sense is a new port for what might be a very
useful tool waiting since September for someone to look at it.
Arguing over git and subversion et alia does nothing to fix that.
As they say on the ESPN NFL pregame show, "C'mon man!".
I can't agree more. I can see, understand and accept reasons why we
cant move from SVN to GitHub/Git and I certainly dont think that it
would be solution to current problems. It seems like this is not
neccessary, it wont happen, so I think we can end that discussion
here. However, we do have all the tools to automate this process, so I
really dont understand why not to do this, especially it is perfectly
doable with SVN, Redports are already doing so, and there are people
willing to work on it.
Thanks Big Lebowski <spankthes...@gmail.com>!
I'm not sure if taking your word for it will be the be all and end all
of progress on this issue. I do have hope, after all as Max Plancksaid:
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and
making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually
die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
I just have my fingers cross that we are not so insular, so heels dug
deep in the dirt, and so curmudgeonly that we drive away anyone
interested in new technology.
I mean, if we're all so firm in our beliefs there are dozens of other
open source projects that encourage new things that people will flock to.
-Alfred
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