On 1/26/14 10:21 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
just do us a favor and do not assume newer means better...
I've been using newer almost exclusively for the past several years and
it is better.
Open your eyes, people have moved on.
-Alfred
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Alfred Perlstein <alf...@freebsd.org>wrote:
On 1/26/14 5:25 AM, Big Lebowski wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Jim Ohlstein <j...@ohlste.in> wrote:
Hello,
On 1/25/14, 9:04 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
On 1/25/14 3:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Yuri <y...@rawbw.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2014 14:44, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
The key seems to be that no one has time to do the stuff they really
want
to do (get new ports into the system)... to that end automating
everything
that can be automated is sure help free up comitter time so they can
look
at what is interesting
Yes. I just can't imagine any generic port tests that can't be
automated
and coded into the script once and for good.
Ideal system should be like github with the added automated testing
between pull request submission and merge. It should either fail and
notify
the submitter, or succeed and notify the committers.
Git hup (or *ANY* remote service for that matter) is a no go IMO
You just don't get it.
Again, you just really, really, don't get it.
You WANT a gateway to a remote service that the project does not have to
handle.
Why? Because then we offload the problem to another org.
The FreeBSD project should be about innovation in OS design, platform
and software. Ops work is bunk and just slows us down.
The more we can outsource the better we'll be. (and what if that
service blows up? well we move on! it's simple!)
Continuing to insist that we run the services ourselves it just wasting
our limited resources. Not only that but we get emotionally attached to
technologies that are old, dying and dead when off the shelf stuff works
just fine.
I've read all 60 or so messages in this thread and there really are two
related but distinct issues here.
The thread title is "What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays?".
This has meandered into a philosophical debate about who knows what and who
knows squat about version control systems, whether we need to maintain
certain requirements, testing ports, etc.
I like the KISS approach myself. This can be boiled down to those two
issues, one of which is a symptom of the other. Arguing and debating over a
long term solution to the OP's question does nothing to solve the problem
in the short to intermediate term. There are 1680 current ports related
PR's at this moment.
As we all know, the committers are volunteers, mostly with real jobs and
real lives and they obviously cannot keep up with the current load. The
short to medium term solution for that is more committers. I'll add my name
to the list of those who are willing to step in and help to clean up the
mess. I'm certain that if a request went out, there would be many who are
more qualified than I.
At the same time, a group of interested individuals should offer input to
the folks who already are looking at changing the bug reporting system away
from gnats - https://wiki.freebsd.org/Bugtracking/BugRelocationPlan.
Doing it in one fell swoop might make sense. It's "ripping off the bandaid"
but I'd rather do it only once myself.
What does *not* make sense is a new port for what might be a very useful
tool waiting since September for someone to look at it. Arguing over git
and subversion et alia does nothing to fix that. As they say on the ESPN
NFL pregame show, "C'mon man!".
I can't agree more. I can see, understand and accept reasons why we cant
move from SVN to GitHub/Git and I certainly dont think that it would be
solution to current problems. It seems like this is not neccessary, it wont
happen, so I think we can end that discussion here. However, we do have all
the tools to automate this process, so I really dont understand why not to
do this, especially it is perfectly doable with SVN, Redports are already
doing so, and there are people willing to work on it.
Thanks Big Lebowski <spankthes...@gmail.com> <spankthes...@gmail.com>!
I'm not sure if taking your word for it will be the be all and end all of
progress on this issue. I do have hope, after all as Max Planck said:
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and
making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die,
and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
I just have my fingers cross that we are not so insular, so heels dug deep
in the dirt, and so curmudgeonly that we drive away anyone interested in
new technology.
I mean, if we're all so firm in our beliefs there are dozens of other open
source projects that encourage new things that people will flock to.
-Alfred
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