On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:55:45 -0900 Royce Williams <ro...@tycho.org> wrote
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Chris H <bsd-li...@bsdforge.com> wrote: > > > As to the "sysadmin gap" a look to > > the ports tree seems to indicate quite a volume of "sysadmin" > > related ports. Are some missing? > > To the contrary -- there are too many. > > A good project would be to survey which ones people actually use, and > why -- and then bring their best features into base. I agree something like thishas value. But obtaining access to the usage matrix is the key. > > This would be difficult to do as a independent skunkworks project, and > would be better suited as a high-level, Foundation-sponsored one. see above. > > (For example, in the Debian ecosystem, for most people, there is no > reason to use something other than apt-get, because it does what it > should and does it well. Every time I upgrade a port, I have to study > /usr/ports/UPDATING, read multiple mailing lists, and hold my breath. > I cannot remember the last time I worried about running apt-get. > Arguments about flexibility and diversity ecosystem don't hold up well > when the basics fail on a regular basis.) Here is where we will clash; I've been riding *BSD for over 20yrs. It's *biggest* asset has been in it's flexibility -- it wasn't another Linux "dist", that required me to essentially become a "clone" of every other Linux install. The Ports system, and /src allowed one to tailor my build/install to meet *my* needs. I wasn't required, in fact I was *encouraged*, to have a unique system. Frankly the new pkg(8) *requirement* was a complete 180 on this philosophy. It's implementation was also flawed in many respects (which speaks to your point). I have no objection to pkg(8), per se; But it *should* have been optional, it *should* have been better (longer) tested, *before* pushed into the ecosystem, and should *not* have been implemented with a backend with single-point-of-failue (sqlite3(1). Honestly; why did pkg(8) have to be *required*? Is FreeBSD simply hoping to become a new "distro"? But, given it's there, and how it's there. You have/bring up some valid, points; it *is* a bit of a game of roulette. I *too* get a knot in my stomach even at the *thought* of an upgrade. Sure there are plenty of choices in an upgrade path/implementation. But, as it sits now, I'm not sure I can say it's gotten any easier, or "trouble free", as a result of pkg(8). --Chris > > Royce > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" --Chris --- _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
