On Mon, 21 May 2018, Peter Pentchev wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 04:49:34PM -0700, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2018, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
On 05/20/18 21:15, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
21.05.2018 2:02, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
OK, I'll try to explain a bit more.
Firstly, this port is PHP code and needs no compilation, so they are
both source files. NO_BUILD= yes
www/wordpress is a similar port, correctly implemented in the ports
tree, if you install it from ports you will have identical result to
downloading from wordpress.org and extract it manually.
The difference as stated above, is that the FreeBSD port includes the
files for *development* of Joomla, the official download has all the
files necessay to build a website based on Joomla.
It may be that there are people using FreeBSD to develop Joomla, then of
course this port are for them, although a more proper naming would be
joomla3-devel or somesuch.
joomla-devel would kind of imply that you're installing the "devel" version
of it, not that it includes the devel LIBS. This seems to be a standard
wording for ports (see locate /usr/ports/ | grep \\\-devel | grep pkg-descr
| xargs cat )
What makes more sense to me is that the Dev files would be part of a
non-default option -- whether that's included with the normal .tar.gz or
requires the github copy, I can't say.
I don't know if there's a *canonical* naming that universally means this is
what '-devel' means.
Errr, ICBW (one needs to look at the history of the port), but in
FreeBSD a -devel version of the port is usually created when somebody
wants to be able to install a version that is currently under
development and yet keep the ability for normal users to use the stable
version. In these cases, a second port is created (once upon a time
this was done by a repository copy to preserve the port's history) that
is exactly the same as the first one, and then the port maintainer
updates the second port (the -devel one) to a newer version.
I feel like we're in agreement here. You install -devel if you want the
"experimental" or "beta" version of a port. It's not necessarily an
install of a "Dev kit". (Compare this with debian, where the -dev suffix
on a package includes the .h files required to build a thing from
scratch).
My questions were meta to the discussion about how to fix Joomla:
My question was "is this by tradition or is there a formal point here
(say, in the porter's handbook) that this is the only thing -devel should
be used for?"
If not, are there exceptions, a case where -devel means something
different? And if that's the case, should a different name be chosen?
Are there any suffixes like this, which aren't necessarily flavorable,
since the -devel version of a port may be significantly different from the
release version. So, not like -nox11, or is -devel unique this way?
Also, should -devel by default include -debug -- after all, if you're
installing the beta of a software, it might be assumed you have interest
in reporting issues?
-Dan
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