On Jan 1, 2020, at 14:23, Franco Fichtner <fra...@lastsummer.de> wrote: > > Hi Adam, > >> On 1. Jan 2020, at 10:18 PM, Adam Weinberger <ad...@adamw.org> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 1:51 PM @lbutlr <krem...@kreme.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 01 Jan 2020, at 13:46, Franco Fichtner <fra...@lastsummer.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1. Jan 2020, at 9:42 PM, @lbutlr <krem...@kreme.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 01 Jan 2020, at 13:40, Franco Fichtner <fra...@lastsummer.de> wrote: >>>>>> security/openssl was removed before, now security/openssl111 has become >>>>>> security/openssl. >>>>> >>>>> Ugh. >>>>> >>>>>> A bit too eager for my taste, but that's why we all have private trees, >>>>>> don't we. ;) >>>>> >>>>> This is going to go poorly, if previous attempts to update to 1.1 are any >>>>> indication. >>>> >>>> With PHP 5.6 axed prematurely a while back I am interested to see OpenSSL >>>> 1.0.2 >>>> phased out now with a number of ports still not supporting 1.1.1 and >>>> seeing them >>>> marked as broken sooner or later. >>> >>> Well, at this point I cannot install openssl111 without deinstalling >>> openssl, which I cannot deinstall since it is gone from ports. >>> >>> Looks like I have to remove openssl, which … I mean, seriously, this seems >>> pretty hostile. >>> >>> Name : openssl >>> Version : 1.0.2u,1 >>> Installed on : Sun Dec 22 08:13:27 2019 MST >>> >>> There was nothing at all on the 22nd about “WARNING THIS WILL BREAK >>> EVERYTHING IN A WEEK” which to mean seems like it should have been made >>> super obvious. >> >> This is why we practically beg people to use poudriere. > > Let me stop you right here and say: ports Framework itself is > suffering from this wishful attitude and this has nothing to do > with readily available poudriere "replacements" which are not > as good as poudriere for sure. > > If the ports framework isn't seen as a stand alone infrastructure > worth its own integrity the discussion is already dead and the > quality will keep to decline for every casual FreeBSD user who > doesn't really care for this or that tool, but wants to install > software from the ports tree manually. > > > Cheers, > Franco
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. The ports tree has grown too complex for a simple “make install” to be a predictable process. What we have now is a major usability problem wherein we have a large handful of tools, all but one of which are essentially broken. We do need a new approach to this problem. # Adam — Adam Weinberger ad...@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
