On 10.12.2011 15:44, Da Rock wrote:
So how does soft-update journaling compare to gjournal? I'm using gjournal now
and it runs a bit of a dog, but it is reliable (until another ufs filesystem
turns up at boot) and necessary in my environment. Can I dump it for this new 
one?

Its used on a laptop with heavy load on the disk, the power on the battery can
run out too quick for batterymon to shut it down- plus kids that play silly
monkeys with daddy's laptop... :)
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I am not an expert, but this is how I currently understand this:

Geom-journal is a block level journaling mechanism. It means that all data written on a journaled provider will be first written to the providers journal and then later commited to the provider. Thus data is written twice to provide more redundancy.

Soft-updates by itself has nothing to do with any journaling. It simply makes synchronous writes faster. When a filesystem is mounted synchronously, each write to a file first updates the metadata of the file, such a file size, and after that writes the actual data into the disk. When doing operations on thousands of small files, the overhead from synchronous writing is considerable. Bring forth soft-updates, which caches the metadata (file size etc.) updates into ram, and commits these updates into disk later when a delay and some conditions trigger; actual data is written into disk as soon as possible. Thus append/random access operations on gazillion of files are a lot faster.

From this I would conclude that soft-updates journaling tries to write the metadata updates into a filesystem spesific soft-update journal (the soft-update journal being a file maybe?) sooner than they are actually committed. I also suspect that soft-updates journaling has some clever way of detecting when it is, performance wise, okay to update the journal and/or commit updates.

In short:
- gjournal writes both data and metadata, providing more redundancy to the actual data AND filesystem integrity while slowing down write operations (although I do not have data how much it slows down disk i/o) - journaled soft-updates writes metadata updates twice on the disk, providing redundancy to file system integrity, but does not prevent actual data loss.

I do not even use FreeBSD 9.0 myself, my information is totally third party, second hand, wise-cracks and guessing.

Any expert consultation would be appreciated.

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Arto Pekkanen
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