It makes me think that there should be an offering for two completely different audiences: (1) FreeBSD core (a very minimal offering for folks that want to build things, like a Desktop, etc.) (2) FreeBSD server (an offering for folks that want a server build)
Perhaps that idea is just unreasonably crazy as well. Best Regards, Vic Thacker On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, at 01:05, Chris wrote: > On 2021-04-07 23:27, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > I think folks have different definitions of what an operating system should > > be. > Agreed. > > > > An Operating System (OS) is an interface between a computer user and > > computer > > hardware. An operating system is a software which performs all the basic > > tasks > > like file management, memory management, process management, handling input > > and > > output, and controlling peripheral devices such as disk drives and printers. > > > > If you add or take away from the above definition, then there is your > > misunderstanding. > IMHO many refer to Linux as an Operating System. When in fact it is a Kernel. > Which > is also what you describe above. > OTOH, UNIX as an OS has a defined set of commands available, as well as > servers to > facilitate running a fully installed server. Which is what I believe he was > referring to. > > At this point I think this thread is becoming tiresome. ;-) > > --Chris > > > > Best Regards, > > Vic Thacker > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, at 21:17, tech-lists wrote: > >> Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 07:44:59AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote: > >> > >> >I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes: > >> > > >> >- remove ftp(1) > >> >- remove ftpd(8) > >> >- remove telnet(1) > >> >- remove telnetd(8) > >> >- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all > >> >use https://. > >> >- replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS > >> >traffic? > >> > >> Very firmly against this, and this sort of thing, for the following > >> reasons: > >> > >> 1. I want an OS, not a kernel. If I just want a kernel, then why not go > >> with linux? FreeBSD is meant to be, I think, (generally), a server OS. > >> So, would you agree that it needs the ability to have server protocols > >> easily configured, with a minimum of fuss, without packages? > >> > >> 2. a lot of infrastructure depends on ftpd. it's easy to configure > >> securely ftpd in base. > >> > >> 3. there are some networks, like internal ones, where encryption is not > >> a requirement, or appropriate. > >> > >> 4. there are some places where encryption is in fact illegal. > >> > >> >Personally, I'd suggest we remove the ftpd server *AND* ftp client and > >> >rely > >> >on ports. Having worked on UNIX, Internet security, and firewalls over the > >> >last 3/5 of my almost 50 year career, I have lamented the existence of the > >> >FTP protocol back in 1995 and I hate the FTP protocol with greater a > >> >passion today. Let's simply remove all vestiges of FTP from the base > >> >system, including libfetch, sooner than later. We don't need it now that > >> >we > >> >have HTTPS and POST; and sftp. > >> > >> 5. some services commonly don't use https. Lots of internet radio > >> stations don't. If https is enforced then the user will have to jump > >> through more hoops than they already do in order to, in this case, > >> listen to internet radio. Or face a loss of functionality. > >> > >> 6. not everywhere will have constant internet access. Not everyone will > >> want to use pkgs or have space for the ports tree. > >> > >> >I think we should make it our goal to remove any and all unencrypted > >> >protocols from FreeBSD by 2025. > >> > >> I think you should carefully think of the consequences of removing > >> functionality in the default install. It will make it less useful, not > >> more. > >> -- > >> J. > >> > >> Attachments: > >> * signature.asc > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
