On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarva...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabade...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is exactly >> the core of the proposal. >> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community wireless >> network in Vienna. >> >> Okay I have to say this.. >> We haven't submitted the proposal yet. >> If for some reason this is not a good idea, >> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize" on >> it, or anything like that, >> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and >> Access that makes this proposal pointless, >> then we don't have to submit it. >> >> It was just an idea we came up with. >> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many >> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>, >> including social networking). >> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite, >> FunkFeuer) could complement each other. >> >> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe longer, >> before we submit it. >> > > Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest. > > Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very interesting. > But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does that. > > Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage, > and what features are avaiable? ( personally I use data.fm ) > Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API, which does not include Linked Data. ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP. Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python (here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>), which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components, but that's more limited than ownCloud. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data and not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right? In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the various apps that would run on it. Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is also all about, as I understand. Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I don't know that. > >> Markus >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarva...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabade...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply >>>> familiar with the process. >>>> >>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e. >>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been >>>> considered a number of times on this list already. >>>> >>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble a >>>> few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and understood >>>> by end-users. >>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real.. >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for the response. A couple of questions about the proposal: >>> >>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your >>> freedom box? >>> >>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain some >>> kind of social network? >>> >>> >>>> Markus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho < >>>> melvincarva...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <mar...@projectdanube.org>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Heya, >>>>>> >>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related >>>>>> demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at >>>>>> the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access movement, >>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other great >>>>>> work. >>>>>> >>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation >>>>>> Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k. >>>>>> >>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided >>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox >>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite to >>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try integrate >>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. We >>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but here's >>>>>> the current text we're working on: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012 >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web >>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about leadership >>>>>> and about joining in. >>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with >>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could >>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc. >>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think >>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should try >>>>>> to >>>>>> get something done in whatever way works. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few purposes.. >>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and >>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while. >>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the >>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has >>>>>> been >>>>>> floating around. >>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working) >>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at >>>>>> conferences. >>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think..? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Markus >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org >>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium: http://personaldataecosystem.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>> >>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >
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