On 1 July 2012 23:03, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho > <melvincarva...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabade...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is exactly >>> the core of the proposal. >>> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community wireless >>> network in Vienna. >>> >>> Okay I have to say this.. >>> We haven't submitted the proposal yet. >>> If for some reason this is not a good idea, >>> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize" on >>> it, or anything like that, >>> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and >>> Access that makes this proposal pointless, >>> then we don't have to submit it. >>> >>> It was just an idea we came up with. >>> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many >>> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>, >>> including social networking). >>> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite, >>> FunkFeuer) could complement each other. >>> >>> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe >>> longer, before we submit it. >>> >> >> Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest. >> >> Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very >> interesting. But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does >> that. >> >> Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage, >> and what features are avaiable? ( personally I use data.fm ) >> > > Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API, > which does not include Linked Data. > ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP. > Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python > (here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>), > which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components, > but that's more limited than ownCloud. > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data and > not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right? > > In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the > various apps that would run on it. > > Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also > read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is > also all about, as I understand. > Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I > don't know that. > I believe all of remotestorage, owncloud and data.fm support WebDAV, so that's perhaps a start. Freedombox has the advantage everyone using the standard package can have a pretty decent data store, rather than, having to cater for many different providers. These means the lowest common denominator can be that much higher. > > >> > >>> Markus >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho < >>> melvincarva...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabade...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply >>>>> familiar with the process. >>>>> >>>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e. >>>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been >>>>> considered a number of times on this list already. >>>>> >>>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble >>>>> a few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and >>>>> understood >>>>> by end-users. >>>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the response. A couple of questions about the proposal: >>>> >>>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your >>>> freedom box? >>>> >>>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain >>>> some kind of social network? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Markus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho < >>>>> melvincarva...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <mar...@projectdanube.org>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Heya, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related >>>>>>> demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at >>>>>>> the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access >>>>>>> movement, >>>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other great >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation >>>>>>> Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided >>>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox >>>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try integrate >>>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. We >>>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but here's >>>>>>> the current text we're working on: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web >>>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about >>>>>>> leadership and about joining in. >>>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with >>>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could >>>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc. >>>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think >>>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should try >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get something done in whatever way works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few >>>>>>> purposes.. >>>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and >>>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while. >>>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the >>>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> floating around. >>>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working) >>>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at >>>>>>> conferences. >>>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think..? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Markus >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org >>>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium: >>>>>>> http://personaldataecosystem.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >>>> >>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >> Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >> > > > > >
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