On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Mark J. Roberts wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Brandon wrote:
>
> > > to typing "freenet:MSK@pigdog//" and having everything happen behind the
> > > scenes where it belongs. That makes me favor your proposal. [2]
> >
> > This syntax looks very nice, but assumes the site to not be in a
> > subspace. Most sites will probably look like my examples above.
>
> No. With automatic date-updating redirects, most sites will look just like
> that. The KSK will be an auto-date-updating redirect to a mapfile inserted
> in a SSK.
>
> > > make the MSK any more logical? I see MSKs as a legitimate extension of any
> > > key. I mean, all we want to say is "this key is a mapfile" and "look this
> > > up." To me, at least, limiting them to SSKs actually adds confusion.
> >
> > I also seem them as an extension to any key. But I'm not sure if anyone
> > will actually use them with other keys.
> >
> > > [1] I'm in favor of assuming that, in your proposal,
> > > "freenet:MSK@KSK@pigdog//" equals "freenet:MSK@KSK@pigdog//index.html".
> >
> > I see no reason not to allow for this. It seems quite sensible.
> > I would say, though, that you should be able to specify in the map file a
> > subspace public key for the site so that even using this exact same syntax
> > the site can be in a subspace.
> >
> > That way, if the KSK is a date-based redirect it can redirect you to
> > today's map file and then map against that into a subspace. All very
> > smoothly.
>
> Again, the new date-updating redirects eliminate the need for kludges like
> that. (You're basically combining the date-updating redirect and the
> mapfile, which is not at all good.)
Err, sorry, misread that. Is there a good reason why anyone would want to
have their mapspace simultaneously inserted in a crappy old subspace? What
good will that do?
> > > mechanism, "freenet:pigdog//" would imply
> > > "freenet:MSK@KSK@pigdog//index.html" while "freenet:KSK@pigdog//" would be
> > > exactly what is looks like. The 3 people who access KSKs with // in them
> > > will be able to continue to do so with FProxy. The rest of us can enjoy
> > > URIs like "freenet:britneyspears//".
> >
> > I really would like implied MSK@'s. I think that would be great. I'm a
> > little wary (but not unconvincable) about this particular proposal because
> > you're assuming MSK on // and KSK on no //, which is kind of confusing if
> > there are any KSKs with // in them. At the very least, this behaviour
> > needs to be very well documented in big letters. But alas, I don't see a
> > better way to do it. Maybe somebody else should weigh in on the subject.
>
> Consider the relative proportions of MSKs like "freenet:pigdogjournal//"
> to KSKs which include "//". What is it, 1,000 to 1? 10,000 to 1? Even
> more? I've never even seen a KSK with two slashes that I didn't insert.
The relative proportions *in the future*, of course. Yeah, I know there
are only three MSKs right now, and all of them are on my node. :-)
> It is a stupid reason to corrupt our beautiful keys, IMHO.
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