On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Brandon wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see. The web archives are optional, BTW, and list subscribers will
> > run the daemon to put the latest messages right in their mailbox.
>
> That sounds cool. I'd rather have a POP server so that I don't have to
> download them. I'd rather not store mail on my local disk if I don't have
> to.
>
> > Anyway, if not EOF then what?
>
> Well if you want to implement POP or SMTP then EOF. Otherwise we should
> probably make a new project CVS module for contrib and put applications in
> there. Or if there are a few applications in the same category we could
> start a new project for them.
I've shied away from POP because nobody wants to configure their mail
client to retrieve messages from another server (localhost).
What do you think of using SMTP to forward the messages to a specified
mail account(s)? That should be even more flexible. But on the insert side
I think I'll still watch a mail spool. Unless I reconsider, which I often
do.
> > Bad put freenetmirror in its own fucking module in
> > the Freenet CVS, but that seems so haphazard.
>
> Yeah, I'd like to keep the root CVS sparse.
>
> > Freenet/contrib is tempting but Oskar doesn't like downloading stuff
> > there.
>
> We just need to make a new module for contrib stuff.
Good. I don't like having a lot of code out of CVS.
> > I'm curious what protocols are being considered for EOF. A NNTP servlet
> > that automatically downloads the latest messages for your subscribed
> > groups would be one, but insertion over Freenet will never survive the
> > flooding, at least with the present keytypes.
>
> There's a list of subprojects in the DocManager on our sourceforge project
> page. NNTP, SMTP, POP.
Gaming: no way. Unless chess is banned. Well, always a chance.
Chat: no way. Not like IRC, too much lag. But good. IRC has no
content. The enforced lag should actually help motivate people to write
content-ful messages. But the unstoppable flooding will kill it. IRC has
kick/ban's and it is still infested with terrible flooders.
DNS: How do you tell if www.freenetsite.org should be resolved through
normal DNS or Freenet DNS?
The NNTP stuff is interesting. Are you going to download and cache the
day's latest messages in the background? That's the only way to do it
IMHO. This sort of thing could very easily replace conventional usenet. We
need to find volunteers with quality newsfeeds to regularly insert
newsgroups. Sounds like a Slashdot hype mission to me. "Help us replace
Usenet, now! (Free porn available.)"
> > Freenetmail is interesting
> > but flooding will be a problem, and right now it doesn't automatically run
> > as a daemon that checks for new messages every x seconds. Invoking it
> > manually is annoying.
>
> Yeah, it's just a proof of concept. My goal for mail is to have a JavaMail
> provider and then SMTP and POP daemons on top of that which can run in the
> node like FProxy or standalone.
Hrmmm. I don't think users will configure their mail clients to use a
special Freenet SMTP server to send email. But if they would bother it
would be easy to filter email based on URI. How?
Rather than use the daemon as the user's POP server, have it forward email
from Freenet to a specified SMTP server. So we don't need to understand
POP.
What is the Freenet mail URI format again? Will mail clients mind using
it? Will we have domains?
> > I like centrally-inserted moderated things like mailing lists and
> > newsfeeds (from real news servers) because they're practical and resistant
> > to attack. But I admit they're not as sexy as completely in-Freenet
> > systems.
>
> Yep, I agree on both counts. ;-)
I very much want to see Usenet downloadable with Freenet. After that we
can work on how to insert stuff with Freenet.
Get some stuff in CVS and I'll check it out.
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