Hi Duncan!

(I sent this mail this afternoon from work, but it did not make it to the 
list, probably due to the sending address.)

Am Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 08:43:44 schrieb Duncan Webb:
> > 1.) Often, a TV program is broadcasted with a second channel for blind
> > people,
> > narrating what happens on screen.  Such recordings are recorded here with
> > both channels mixed into each other [...]
>
> IIRC the ivtv-0.8 and above correctly separates the audio channels and so
> I wrote the bilingual plug-in so you can choose with channel to listen to.

Ah, another reason why it would make sense for me to try again with a more 
recent kernel version.  (Which is needed for ivtv-0.8+.)

> > I checked that this was no Freevo problem by recording (/playing)
> > directly from /dev/video0, which also showed the problem so I decided to
> > upgrade ivtv.
>
> xine and embedded vbi data does not work well together, mplayer has no
> problem with vbi. The top third of the screen shows green blocks.

Ah, vbi data.  That's a hint.  Alas, I tried with mplayer and that exhibited 
the same errors.  Another reason could be nxtvepg, which I have running now 
since the end of January, which might as well be the point in time where the 
visual artifacts began.  nxtvepg seems to be more well-tested with 
traditional v4l than with v4l2.  BTW: The green blocks are within Xine only, 
right?  And I think my blocks are not always green, but I will have to check 
that again.

> The best way to chack this is to push the mpeg file into /dev/video16 and
> see what comes out of the scart interface (PVR-350 only, which your
> using).

Hmm, that would be another idea for playback, right?  But I have already tried 
the files with mplayer on several computers, so I am sure the problem is 
within the file.  (The scart interface is not connected, and the computer is 
fit neatly into a furnature and not easy to access from behind... ;-/ )

> > 3.) [...]
> > scheduled
> > recordings end prematurely.  That is - a program with 90 minutes might
> > end after 34 or only 11 minutes.  Freevo shuts down (using the
> > autoshutdown plugin) after the correct time, i.e. it "waits" the rest of
> > the time without
> > the recorded file growing any more.  [... I] think it is an ivtv
> > problem.
>
> May be, the XMLTV data is not always correct. Are the truncated recording
> happening over midnight?
No, any time during the day and the EPG is fine (also I am now using nxtvepg).

> You may be able to see something in the recordserver log, it should report
> the start and stop times and if the recording has been killed by freevo.
The logs looked fine to me, and as I wrote above, it looks as if Freevo 
believes that the recording is still in progress.  I made some recordings 
this night and will check the logs for stop times again (last time I found 
only start times IIRC).

> > 4.) In parallel, I tried Linux-2.6.20.1 (I have the same kernel running
> > successfully on several other computers) with ivtv-0.10.1.  Here, the
> > recordings are not fluent, but every half a second to second, the video
> > stops
> > which makes all movements appear jerky.  The audio is fine though. [...]
>
> I saw something in the mythtv wiki about setting PCI latencies for the
> hard disk, this may help to ensure that the hard disk has sufficient
> response for recordings. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

That's a very interesting hint, thanks.  I will check and report back, maybe 
the Linux kernel sets different default PCI settings.  Easy to check and I 
will try changing the HD values, too.

> I must say that as far as I can see there haven't been any real
> improvements with the ivtv driver. I sort of have the feeling that the
> quality has dropped a bit with later versions. I'm pretty sure that recent
> recordings do not have quite the same quality as older recordings.

My wife expressed the same feelings about a quality drop, but it's so hard to 
verify. :-(

> But 
> this could be because I have swapped the PVR-350 for a 500. The 350 is now
> in my test machine and I don't watch anything that I have recorded there.
> Having said this I did copy a couple of recordings across to the main
> machine and they were as jumpy as hell.

Did I understand you correctly?  Can you reproduce problem number 4 I have?  
Sorry, but that's great! ;-))

It may take some time until I post an update about my findings.  Thanks for 
your feedback so far.

Ciao, /  /
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