Robert, Thanks for these comments. Are you actually a person who could make me understand Bayes intuitively, a little bit? You could have free coffee from me anytime you wanted to try that.
The question was, given a panzy, what is the probability of [panzy-blooming April 1 in Santa Fe]. So the data could be faulted in two different ways. Tree-hugger Jones could know know what a panzy is, and report the blooming of a "forget-me-not" on April first; or TJ could he could have the date wrong. Or he could report his geographic coordinates wrong. The hardest of these is the plant identification part, I would think. This reminds me of a conversation I used to have with my dad when I was trying to learn bird watching from him. The whole thing about bird watching is to see a rare species, or a common species at a rare time. So I would ask, "So DAD what bird is that?" and he would reply, "It's a yellow shafted flicka, son." And I would say, so how do you know it isnt a red-shafted flicka?" And he would reply, "We dont HAVE those here." What would the Reverend have to say about that? Nick > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <friam@redfish.com> > Date: 2/17/2008 10:00:41 AM > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 56, Issue 17 > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > friam@redfish.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Santa Fe Complex BarCamp March 7 and 8 (?) (Steve Smith) > 2. Science Tatoos (Ross Goeres) > 3. Re: Science Tatoos (Pamela McCorduck) > 4. March 5 Lecture: Terry Borst - Serious Games, Simulations and > Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds (Stephen Guerin) > 5. Re: The limits of leapfrogging (Saul Caganoff) > 6. Re: FW: National Science Foundation Update Daily Digest > Bulletin (Robert Holmes) > 7. Re: limits of leapfrogging (Prof David West) > 8. Hosting + CMS? (Owen Densmore) > 9. Re: Hosting + CMS? (Robert Holmes) > 10. Re: Hosting + CMS? (Alfredo CV) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:21:56 -0700 > From: Steve Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Complex BarCamp March 7 and 8 (?) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Friday Morning Applied Complexity > Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sounds good... > > I'm surprised, however, that a "distributed BilConference" hasn't > emerged... satellite meetings at places like the Complex. > > I would encourage/support/help make this happen, 'cepting I'll be on the > road March 1,2 > > When DO our distributed, collaborative tools support this? > > - steve > > So, how about a Santa Fe Complex BarCamp on March 7,8 at > > http://www.santafecomplex.org? Out of towners can camp in the space and *maybe* > > Simon has an alternative offering for a few :-) > > > > -Stephen > > > > --- -. . ..-. .. ... .... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... .... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.Redfish.com > > 624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501 > > mobile: (505)577-5828 > > office: Santa Fe, NM (505)995-0206 / London, UK +44 (0) 20 7993 4769 > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) > From: Ross Goeres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Science Tatoos > To: rawscores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzimmer/sets/72157601351535771/detail/ > > The ruler on the forearm is about as close as they get to my idea of tattooing > logarithmic scales on my forearms for use as slide rules... > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:15 -0500 > From: Pamela McCorduck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Tatoos > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > Group <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Fabulous! I'll pass them on. > > P. > > > On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Ross Goeres wrote: > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzimmer/sets/72157601351535771/detail/ > > > > The ruler on the forearm is about as close as they get to my idea of > > tattooing > > logarithmic scales on my forearms for use as slide rules... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > _____________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > "Those who act will suffer. > suffer into truth"-- > What Aeschylus omitted: > those who cannot act will suffer too. > > Jane Hirshfield, "Those Who Cannot Act" in > "After" > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:54:43 -0700 > From: "Stephen Guerin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] March 5 Lecture: Terry Borst - Serious Games, > Simulations and Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds > To: <friam@redfish.com> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > ** Note this will be the first lecture at http://www.santafecomplex.org ** > > SPEAKER: Terry Borst > Content designer and scriptwriter > > TITLE: Serious Games, Simulations and Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds > > LOCATION: 632 Agua Fria http://www.santafecomplex.org > > TIME: Wednesday, March 5, 12:30p > > Lunch will be available for purchase for $5 > > ABSTRACT: An informal presentation of some recent leadership training games in > real-time 3D environments -- with an eye towards advancing from the highly > contained simulations of version 1.0 products to more expansive future versions > which could benefit from the application of intelligent agents, cognitive > architectures, and other adaptable and autonomous systems. Brief demos and > playthroughs will lead to some of the processes pursued in developing and > building these games currently, and the inevitable limitations of these > processes. How much can we integrate narrative, pedagogy, interactivity, and > world autonomy, and what kind of design and process tools might further this > integration? > > About Terry Borst: I'm a film and television writer who has also been scripting > and collaborating on the design of entertainment videogames and (more recently) > training and educational games for more than a decade. Just over a year ago, I > co-authored Story and Simulations for Serious Games (published by Focal Press), > a "handbook" for the design, representation, and production of digitally > delivered training environments. We are at the precipice of radically > redefining the nature of story, narrative, and learned experience, and I'm > interested in seeing how we can use new tools to further this leap into the > unknown. Find out more at http://www.terryborst.com. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:18:05 +1100 > From: "Saul Caganoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The limits of leapfrogging > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > A corrollary to this is that ignoring technologies may choke off > access to new industries. Australia has (by choice?) no manufacturing > facilities for computer chips. But a lot of the new advances in > biotech builds on silicon chip technologies. A lesson for govts who > think they can pick "winners" vs "losers" > > On 2/15/08, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The economist has a thought provoking article on the limits of > > leapfrogging: > > http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775 > > .. and attached for convenience. > > > > The idea is that, although in a few cases new technologies can be > > deployed in developing countries .. and sometimes better than the > > developed countries, new technologies often depend on older ones, thus > > cannot easily be deployed by leapfrogging the older ones. > > > > -- Owen > > > > MOBILE phones are frequently held up as a good example of technology's > > ability to transform the fortunes of people in the developing world. > > In places with bad roads, few trains and parlous land lines, mobile > > phones substitute for travel, allow price data to be distributed more > > quickly and easily, enable traders to reach wider markets and > > generally make it easier to do business. The mobile phone is also a > > wonderful example of a "leapfrog" technology: it has enabled > > developing countries to skip the fixed-line technology of the 20th > > century and move straight to the mobile technology of the 21st. Surely > > other technologies can do the same? > > > > Alas, the mobile phone turns out to be rather unusual. Its very nature > > makes it an especially good leapfrogger: it works using radio, so > > there is no need to rely on physical infrastructure such as roads and > > phone wires; base-stations can be powered using their own generators > > in places where there is no electrical grid; and you do not have to be > > literate to use a phone, which is handy if your country's education > > system is in a mess. There are some other examples of leapfrog > > technologies that can promote development?moving straight to local, > > small-scale electricity generation based on solar panels or biomass, > > for example, rather than building a centralised power-transmission grid > > ?but there may not be very many. > > > > Indeed, as a recent report from the World Bank points out (see > > article), it is the presence of a solid foundation of intermediate > > technology that determines whether the latest technologies become > > widely diffused. It is all too easy to forget that in the developed > > world, the 21st century's gizmos are underpinned by infrastructure > > that often dates back to the 20th or even the 19th. Computers and > > broadband links are not much use without a reliable electrical supply, > > for example, and the latest medical gear is not terribly helpful in a > > country that lacks basic sanitation and health-care facilities. A > > project to provide every hospital in Ethiopia with an internet > > connection was abandoned a couple of years ago when it became apparent > > that the lack of internet access was the least of the hospitals' > > worries. And despite the clever technical design of the $100 laptop, > > which is intended to bring computing within the reach of the world's > > poorest children, sceptics wonder whether the money might be better > > spent on schoolrooms, teacher training and books. > > > > The World Bank's researchers looked at 28 examples of new technologies > > that achieved a market penetration of at least 5% in the developed > > world, and found that 23 of them went on to manage a penetration of > > over 50%. Once early adopters latch onto something new and useful, in > > other words, the rest of the population can quickly follow. The > > researchers then considered 67 new technologies that had achieved a 5% > > penetration in the developing world, and found that only six of them > > went on to reach 50%. That suggests that although new technologies are > > often adopted by a small minority of people in poor countries, they > > then fail to achieve widespread diffusion, so their benefits do not > > become more generally available. > > > > Lavatories before laptops > > The World Bank concludes that a country's capacity to absorb and > > benefit from new technology depends on the availability of more basic > > forms of infrastructure. This has clear implications for development > > policy. Building a fibre-optic backbone or putting plasma screens into > > schools may be much more glamorous than building electrical grids, > > sewerage systems, water pipelines, roads, railways and schools. It > > would be great if you could always jump straight to the high-tech > > solution, as you can with mobile phones. But with technology, as with > > education, health care and economic development, such short-cuts are > > rare. Most of the time, to go high-tech, you need to have gone medium- > > tech first. > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > -- > Saul Caganoff > Enterprise IT Architect > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scaganoff > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:03:59 -0500 > From: "Robert Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: National Science Foundation Update Daily > Digest Bulletin > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Friday Morning Applied > Complexity Coffee Group" <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nick, > > Doesn't sound too tricky - as you describe it, it seems a pretty good > candidate for some form of Bayesian analysis: p(A|B) is proportional to > p(B|A)p(A), where B="is described as a pansy" and A="is actually a pansy" > > You can probably get good empirical values for your priors ("what IS the > probability of finding a pansy round here?"), which is a pleasant change for > Bayesians as they usually guess these values and then spend time trying to > convince you that the final result isn't sensitive to the priors anyway. > Also I'd expect that you can probably get reasonable values for > those conditional probabilities, in consultation with your local flower > expert. > > Robert > > On 2/15/08, Nicholas Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > All -- > > > > Has anybody thought about how to make use of truly lousy data? There are > > increasingly sources of public data on subject matters such as weather and > > (see below) flowers and birds where the quality of the data is truly awful > > by ordinary standards and yet there is so much of it that it seems a crime > > not to try to make use of it. So Sally writes in to say that her morning > > glories are in bloom in April when what she means is her pansies. Her > > neighbor gets the pansies right but screws up on the tithonia. Is there > > any way to add this all up and get something? > > > > thoughts? > > > > nick > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080216/472d70ac /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:40:29 -0500 > From: "Prof David West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] limits of leapfrogging > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > Late eighties - lowly grad student taking a development course as part > of his anthropology course. Term paper concerned the feasibility of > starting a 12volt appliance manufacturing business in Africa with the > initial market being the RV crowd in the U.S. Within a relatively short > time the domestic market would pick up as locals earned manufacturing > wages. Local power to locally purchased appliances would come from > using the relatively crude solar cell technology of that date. The > total cost would have been about .4% of what was then being invested in > establishing hydro power generation and high voltage distribution > network. Fast forward thirty years and the the Green trend that was > nascent then is in full flower and more and more effort is being put > into 12v as people seek to leave the grid. And a solar cell panel on > each rooftop is far less amenable to a terrorist threat than the single > tower that can bring down the entire distribution network. > > I suspect that there are a lot more opportunities for leapfrogging than > the establishment would have us believe. > > > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:55:16 -0700, "Owen Densmore" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > The economist has a thought provoking article on the limits of > > leapfrogging: > > http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775 > > .. and attached for convenience. > > > > The idea is that, although in a few cases new technologies can be > > deployed in developing countries .. and sometimes better than the > > developed countries, new technologies often depend on older ones, thus > > cannot easily be deployed by leapfrogging the older ones. > > > > -- Owen > > > > MOBILE phones are frequently held up as a good example of technology's > > ability to transform the fortunes of people in the developing world. > > In places with bad roads, few trains and parlous land lines, mobile > > phones substitute for travel, allow price data to be distributed more > > quickly and easily, enable traders to reach wider markets and > > generally make it easier to do business. The mobile phone is also a > > wonderful example of a ?leapfrog? technology: it has enabled > > developing countries to skip the fixed-line technology of the 20th > > century and move straight to the mobile technology of the 21st. Surely > > other technologies can do the same? > > > > Alas, the mobile phone turns out to be rather unusual. Its very nature > > makes it an especially good leapfrogger: it works using radio, so > > there is no need to rely on physical infrastructure such as roads and > > phone wires; base-stations can be powered using their own generators > > in places where there is no electrical grid; and you do not have to be > > literate to use a phone, which is handy if your country's education > > system is in a mess. There are some other examples of leapfrog > > technologies that can promote development?moving straight to local, > > small-scale electricity generation based on solar panels or biomass, > > for example, rather than building a centralised power-transmission grid > > ?but there may not be very many. > > > > Indeed, as a recent report from the World Bank points out (see > > article), it is the presence of a solid foundation of intermediate > > technology that determines whether the latest technologies become > > widely diffused. It is all too easy to forget that in the developed > > world, the 21st century's gizmos are underpinned by infrastructure > > that often dates back to the 20th or even the 19th. Computers and > > broadband links are not much use without a reliable electrical supply, > > for example, and the latest medical gear is not terribly helpful in a > > country that lacks basic sanitation and health-care facilities. A > > project to provide every hospital in Ethiopia with an internet > > connection was abandoned a couple of years ago when it became apparent > > that the lack of internet access was the least of the hospitals' > > worries. And despite the clever technical design of the $100 laptop, > > which is intended to bring computing within the reach of the world's > > poorest children, sceptics wonder whether the money might be better > > spent on schoolrooms, teacher training and books. > > > > The World Bank's researchers looked at 28 examples of new technologies > > that achieved a market penetration of at least 5% in the developed > > world, and found that 23 of them went on to manage a penetration of > > over 50%. Once early adopters latch onto something new and useful, in > > other words, the rest of the population can quickly follow. The > > researchers then considered 67 new technologies that had achieved a 5% > > penetration in the developing world, and found that only six of them > > went on to reach 50%. That suggests that although new technologies are > > often adopted by a small minority of people in poor countries, they > > then fail to achieve widespread diffusion, so their benefits do not > > become more generally available. > > > > Lavatories before laptops > > The World Bank concludes that a country's capacity to absorb and > > benefit from new technology depends on the availability of more basic > > forms of infrastructure. This has clear implications for development > > policy. Building a fibre-optic backbone or putting plasma screens into > > schools may be much more glamorous than building electrical grids, > > sewerage systems, water pipelines, roads, railways and schools. It > > would be great if you could always jump straight to the high-tech > > solution, as you can with mobile phones. But with technology, as with > > education, health care and economic development, such short-cuts are > > rare. Most of the time, to go high-tech, you need to have gone medium- > > tech first. > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0700 > From: Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS? > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content > Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us > have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support. > > But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex. > > Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences? > > One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought > TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on > Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right > place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even > give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in > some areas we'll need. > > -- Owen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:14:50 -0500 > From: "Robert Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS? > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Please not HostGo! Otherwise I'll never get any email from you guys (bounce, > bounce, bounce....) > > One thing we discussed over lunch a week or so ago - how about hosting it > yourself? You'll probably be able to identify and repair problems faster > than the typical ISP's customer (non-)service. Plus you get to use whatever > open-source CMS you like (Joomla, Drupal etc) without any constraint imposed > by the ISP. > > Robert > > > On 2/17/08, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content > > Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us > > have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support. > > > > But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex. > > > > Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences? > > > > One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought > > TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on > > Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right > > place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even > > give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in > > some areas we'll need. > > > > -- Owen > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080217/cf429c4e /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:12:29 -0500 > From: Alfredo CV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS? > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Maybe it's what you are looking for. Is one of the choices I'm > considering to change my current hosting service. Furthermore > it's not expensive. > > http://www.a2hosting.com/ > > Server run on Linux not in Solaris but offers: > > Ruby & Rails > Perl / CGI-BIN > PHP 5 > Zend Optimizer > Python (CGI) > SQLite 3.x > SQL Databases: MySQL and/or PostgreSQL > SSI (Server Side Include) > SSL (128-bit encryption) > Shell Access (SSH) > > > They also have Mambo, Drupal, Joomla and other PHP built on CMS. > > > > > Robert Holmes wrote: > > >Please not HostGo! Otherwise I'll never get any email from you guys (bounce, > >bounce, bounce....) > > > >One thing we discussed over lunch a week or so ago - how about hosting it > >yourself? You'll probably be able to identify and repair problems faster > >than the typical ISP's customer (non-)service. Plus you get to use whatever > >open-source CMS you like (Joomla, Drupal etc) without any constraint imposed > >by the ISP. > > > >Robert > > > > > >On 2/17/08, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content > >>Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us > >>have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support. > >> > >>But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex. > >> > >>Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences? > >> > >>One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought > >>TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on > >>Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right > >>place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even > >>give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in > >>some areas we'll need. > >> > >> -- Owen > >> > >> > >> > >>============================================================ > >>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >>lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >============================================================ > >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------- > Alfredo Covaleda V?lez > Ingeniero Agr?nomo > Programador > ******************************** > Compre y venda sus libros en: > http://www.loslibrosusados.com > ******************************** > Too many waiting for that lucky break (PM) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080217/1df1a7d8 /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > Friam@redfish.com > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 56, Issue 17 > ************************************* ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
