Me, I'm a simulationist. I run these large, complex population mobility ABMs in the utmost confidence that I can make the output support whichever claim happens to be the current politically expedient one.
Pragmatism trumps vague Reductionism every time. --Doug On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kenneth Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > I tend to be a Prigoginist, see: End of Certainty, Ilya Prigogine. I > suggest you consider the case for thermodynamic non-equilibrium and the > problem it creates for reductionism. Some of us have come to understand > complexity by modeling wavelet perturbations on temporally extended, > recurrent, non-linear network graphs. The results have been > very enlightening. > > Caveat: such results have been met with great skepticism, if not total > disbelief, within the FRIAM community. > > Ken > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *John F. Kennison > *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 12:08 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies > > > > Hi, > > I have been trying to figure out what my position on reductionism might be, > but I am running into problems. Does reductionism mean a belief that the > best strategy is always to analyze complex things in terms of simpler > components (with, I presume, a small number of irreducible parts)? Or is it > a belief that everything in nature is nothing more than a sum of simple > components? > > --John > > > On 9/5/08 12:13 PM, "Jack Leibowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To Gunther: > > I dont think the word is horrible. > Please note the quotes around the word in my e-mail. > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Günther Greindl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" < > friam@redfish.com> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies > > > Hi, > > > This doesn't mean strictly remaining with restraints belonging under the > > heading of that horrible word "reductionism". > > Why do you think that the word is horrible? (be specific please ;-) > > Cheers, > Günther > > -- > Günther Greindl > Department of Philosophy of Science > University of Vienna > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ > Thesis: http://www.complexitystudies.org/proposal/ > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >
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