I used this for several years, before Time Machine was put out, and was 
satisfied:

http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html

For Mac, automatic if you like, creates a fully bootable back up,
it's gotten a bit more pricey would be the biggest drawback at this point.

Leigh

On 02 Aug 2010 at 10:50 AM, Owen Densmore related
> Good stuff!  But one catch: I want to set this up for the family to use. TM 
> gives us automatic backups whenever we connect to the network, so vastly 
> reduces the chance of data loss.
> 
> But I'm also considering backup to the internet .. my Joyent web hosting 
> service or possibly s3 or gs.  Big problem there is that our up speed is 
> miserable, around 800Kb.  It might be that the best upgrade I could make 
> would be to get a premium broadband acct of some sort.  Comcast claims to be 
> upgrading their broadband.
> 
> I'd like to push more of my data to the net anyway.  Email is solved: imap.  
> Website ditto -- Joyent.  Important source files are svn on Joyent or Google. 
> I suppose I could use desktop net disks of various sorts to move a bunch of 
> my presentations etc to the net.
> 
> That was part of my research last week of server-to-server speeds.  Wow!  I 
> can easily backup my entire web hosting account to both amazon and google at 
> very nice speeds indeed.
> 
>     -- Owen
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> 
> > Duh, good catch!  I've filled up the root partition that way before too.
> > 
> > --Doug
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Douglas Roberts <d...@parrot-farm.net> 
> > wrote:
> > > Re: backups, I find rsync to the perfect solution for me.  Here's an 
> > > excerpt
> > > from one of my backup scripts:
> > >
> > > /usr/bin/rsync -vurltD  --exclude-from=/home/roberts/.rsync/exclude
> > > /home/roberts /mnt/backup >>/home/roberts/backup.log 2>&1
> > >
> > 
> > Here's part of mine:
> > 
> >        if mount | grep -s $DEST >/dev/null 2>&1
> >        then
> >                rsync -ax --delete --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=.gvfs 
> > $SRC/ $DEST/
> >        else
> >                echo destination $DEST is not mounted
> >        fi
> > 
> > first thing the original did was fill the root file system by
> > rsync'ing into a mount point with nothing mounted on it.
> > 
> > I'm backing up the root these days, too, because it was such a pain to
> > recover the install state two weeks ago.  Now the backup is configured
> > to replace the laptop drive in the time it takes to swap drives.
> > 
> > You could always take a MacMini and install Ubuntu on it.   Anybody
> > know in what format TimeMachine stores your stuff?
> > 
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