I'd love to know what the risk-benifit trade off is.  Do we harass 10^6 people 
at a cost of $10^9 for one discovery of note, one which would stop an air-bomb?

As I understand it, the best info is not scanners etc but community members 
reporting suspicious behavior.  Maybe we should ask help from the Islamic 
community?  I realize they feel victimized, but throw the same $$ at that sort 
of program would likely create better results.

The last "event", the package bomb, was not meant to destroy the aircraft was 
it?  I think there were two packages sent to "enemy" land addresses.

To tell the truth, I think I'm willing to risk it by tossing the scanners etc, 
using sensible (and PC incorrect) social methods, and hope the odds are not as 
bad as people think.

    -- Owen


On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Russell Gonnering wrote:

> Because we are unwilling to do the only sane thing and profile behavior, we 
> sacrifice our liberty on the altar of political correctness.  So, fellow 
> FRIAMers, when they start doing rectal exams to find the concealed 
> explosives, what will our response be then?  What about the surgically 
> implanted explosives?
> 
> The choice is not between unpleasant experiences and being blown up.  The 
> choice is between acting like idiots or doing what actually is necessary to 
> prevent terror.  So far, we have chosen the former.  Is it really worth it to 
> spend billions of dollars and terrorize the innocents to appear to be “fair” 
> to everyone?
> 
> I put my money on the idiots, as they always seem to run things. El Al should 
> expand into the domestic US market.
> 
> Russ #3
> Russell Gonnering, MD, MMM, FACS, CPHQ
> rsgonneri...@mac.com
> www.emergenthealth.net
> 
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> On Nov 21, 2010, at 2:33 PM, plissa...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> I have followed the correspondence on enhanced scanning with usual mixture 
>> of shock and incredulity.  Do people object because it’s offensive or 
>> because it’s ineffective?  It would be unpleasant but, for me, unpleasanter 
>> to be blown up by a device that had avoided the enhanced scanner.  But I 
>> haven’t enough info to make any definitive judgment.  In particular on two 
>> matters.  It seems that new bomb compounds can be concealed by flesh masses 
>> in exotic parts of the body without detection by the old scanners.  I 
>> thought that the Xmas underwear bomber had proved this. It seems that old 
>> folk, handicapped people, children and infants are ideal subjects for 
>> planted bombs, with no adverse fall-out for the Bad Hats if detected. In 
>> this wicked world the innocent are always punished.
>> If correct this is pretty awful news.
>> The strategy is for a bomber to finesse that he’d be directed through the 
>> old system, pass and end up undetected on his planned flight.  If an 
>> enhanced scan is required, then he should avoid this by all means while 
>> offering to take the old, ineffectual scan, and withdraw, undetected, 
>> unidentified and with his powder dry, to try again another day.
>> In such circumstances he should behave like a gullible but superior person 
>> (e.g. a Friamer) and behave with all the histrionics necessary for the 
>> exasperated TSA to simply tell him to get lost.  So this dramatic response, 
>> that some objectors seem to have chosen, and others to approve of, would 
>> make the objector highly suspect, and rightly so.
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures
>> 
>> Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.
>> 
>> 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
>> tel:(505)983-7728 
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