Here are two statements <http://goo.gl/bURhq>: one by the Prime Minister of
Libya, which is pretty much everything you would want; the other is by the
President of Egypt, which is not so strong, but not terrible either.

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Paul Paryski <ppary...@aol.com> wrote:

> Owen,
> What you are perhaps missing is the complexity of politics and the
> emergence of extremism everywhere in response to anger and frustration with
> the conditions in which people are forced to live.  This, alas, includes
> the US and the rise of the extreme right which seems to have somewhat taken
> control of the Republican Party.  One might ask why people in the US don't
> apologize for all the wrongs that the US has committed in the rest of the
> world and maybe still be doing so.
>
>  Chaos results in emergence and self-organization some of which is pretty
> nasty.
>
>  One tends to forget all the massacres committed by the church, e.g. the
> inquisition, forced conversion of colonized peoples and the rise of Hitler
> and its consequences.
>
>  Ah humanity....
>
>  cheers, Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net>
> To: Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:01 am
> Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The
> Economist
>
>  The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the
> Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW
>
>  This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions:
> Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on
> the part of their fundamentalists?  At least some attempt to apologize for
> My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do!
>
>  We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity
> and beauty of his religion.  Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts,
> in a very civilized manor.  The conversation was sane, polite, and
> certainly informative.
>
>  What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar
> anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media?  Or the Buddhists sent
> ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists?
>
>  What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of
> sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us?
>
>  Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more
> of a puzzled look at an insane situation.  And Yes, I really wish we'd keep
> our nose out of other's affairs.  I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly
> would like to grok this phenomenon.
>
>  What am I missing?  Good complexity question, I bet.
>
>     -- Owen
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