I think this line of reasoning ("using guns and violent games make people
go crazy and shoot people, therefore, restricting access (even more) to
guns and games will make less people shoot people. ") is balderdash.

Correlation is not causation.

Guns and games did not make the person troubled.

There are many teens/adults who have access to both real and virtual gun
sport who do *not* shoot up schools, malls, or post offices. This is
demonstrated by the simple fact of the millions of sales of both guns and
gun games every year, compared to the lack of millions (or even dozens) of
mass shooting murders every year.

Likewise, the wild success of Angry Birds did not create a run on
slingshots, nor cause a single undesired building demolition.

While we're theorizing without rigor, I assert that access to gun sport and
virtual violent games provides a healthy outlet for acting out violent
feelings, and working out frustrations.

Sans guns, we might have had a stabbing, a homemade bomb, or perhaps
something else. Note the school mass *stabbing* in China the same day, with
22 people stabbed. Granted, no deaths reported. I guess that's a comfort?

See also, the patriarchy, which teaches that violent outburst is an
appropriate form of expression--for men.

Note that in 30 years,  61 of 62 gun-using US mass murderers have been men.
[see Mother Jones, July 2012, for criteria and sources]

And that suggests another key point: these incidents are rare: just 62 in
30 years.  Each has it's own particular and peculiar circumstances. To pick
just one thing they may have in common, then assert that "fixing" that one
thing will prevent any future incident is, at best, naive, and in other
proportions arrogant, lazy, and disingenuous.

Perhaps it's true that there can be no shootings if there are no guns, but
that is never going to happen, without a perfect descent into utter
fascism.  In any case,  as long as there are people who want to kill
people, people will find a way to do it. So we must look in another
direction. Like a way to help people *not* want to kill people.

~~James

On Dec 16, 2012 2:08 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
>
>
> The recent shooting at Sandy Hook, Conneticut,
> reminded me of the shooting in Winnenden 3 years ago.
> In 2009, a teenager killed 15 people at a School
> in southern Germany. It turned out his father owned
> many guns legally and took him occasionally to a shooting
> club. The son played frequently shooting games like
> "Counter Strike". The combination of learning to
> kill people in virtual worlds and learning to shoot
> in the real world was toxic for the young troubled
> teenager.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
>
> The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting now
> seems to be similar: the mother owned many guns
> legally and used them, she went through target
> shooting with her son. The son apparently liked
> violent video games (probably first-person shooter
> as well). Again the combination of learning to kill
> people in virtual worlds and learning to shoot in the
> real world was toxic for the young person and
> certainly contributed to the disaster
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
>
> If we want to prevent these shootings happening
> again, then we must either make it much harder
> for children to go to shooting clubs and to
> participate in shooting sport, or we must make it
> much harder for underage persons to get first-person
> shooter games. Or both. What do you think?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_sport
>
> -J.
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