Ok Troll-Boy, I'll bite. Here's the paper referenced in the phys.org post: http://www.alexwg.org/publications/PhysRevLett_110-168702.pdf
Are these concepts so foreign that you hope to watch a thread thrash on the semantics and meanings of this theoretical worldview? Is there something in Hewitt's paper that strikes you as ridiculous, hogwosh or complexity babble? The ideas in the paper restate what is obvious to many of the practitioners on this list. Namely that structure formation and origin of life may well be best understood as nature's response to imposed non-equilibrium gradients. To many this is a core idea of Complexity. This mechanism has been linked as a causal mechanism for the emergence of autonomous intelligent emergent behavior since (1980, Kugler, Kelso and Turvey <http://web.haskins.yale.edu/Reprints/HL0297.pdf>), (2000 Kauffman<http://www.amazon.com/Investigations-Stuart-A-Kauffman/dp/0195121058/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1366685204&sr=8-2&keywords=investigations>), (2005 Jun and Hubler <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545530/>and 2011 Hubler et al<http://icmt.illinois.edu/workshops/fluctuations2011/Talks/Hubler_Alfred_ICMT_May_2011.pdf>) and (2007 Morowitz and Smith<http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cplx.20191/abstract>) among others. I haven't actually seen the software "entropica" referenced in the paper and the claims may be a little over stated but the core ideas you quote "emergence", "complex", "behaviors", "through", "causal" "entropic", and "forces" are not new and strike me as matter of fact. These same ideas have thrashed on the list almost exactly 10 years ago: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/256 Doug, where do you think intelligent behavior (ie life) comes from? Do you have a view? a pet theory? too busy? --- -. . ..-. .. ... .... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... .... stephen.gue...@redfish.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: (505) 995-0206 tollfree: (888) 414-3855 mobile: (505) 577-5828 fax: (505) 819-5952 tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup gvoice: (505) 216-6226 redfish.com | simtable.com On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Douglas Roberts <d...@parrot-farm.net>wrote: > > http://phys.org/news/2013-04-emergence-complex-behaviors-causal-entropic.html > > It is with much anticipation that we await the detailed discussions that > are sure to follow which will cover the meanings of "emergence", "complex", > "behaviors", "through", "causal" "entropic", and "forces". > > --Doug > > -- > *Doug Roberts > d...@parrot-farm.net* > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-672-8213 - Mobile* > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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