Doug wrote:
The intent was to produce a pragmatic perspective, not a philosophical one. By avoiding the telling of escapist fantasy-world fairy tails in the first place, there will be less untruth to deal with at later stages in life.
Both of my daughters (now 31, 33) were raised under the teaching of the Catholic Church with my (athiest) company at weekly Mass and discussions *after* each Catechism class for the first dozen years of their lives or so. I avoided undermining the teaching, provided as much sounding board and reference material as they could take, listened and watched. Their mother was Catholic but cherry picked what she wanted from it, mostly absolution for the most part, I think. I had nothing to offer except my own example of how I lived and what I valued. While my mother-in-law insisted that I was a "Secular Humanist", I was not that either, though I can see how she might think so.

They both declined Confirmation on it's own merits and drifted from the community fairly quickly. Their mother accepted it pretty well, I think their grandmother may have had a couple of mini-strokes as a result, but by that time they weren't listening to her raving much anyway.

They had in fact, attained the Age of Reason and were using it effectively, just as their Catechism classes had been teaching them to do. They had no more trouble sorting out the fictions of the Catholic Church in the long run than they did getting over the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. They came to their own understanding of these fictions and perhaps even *why* some of those close to them held them dearly. While I might have spoken directly against the religion of their Mothers origins, I chose not to. And in fact I learned a great deal by attending Mass for over a decade. The two priests who attended for most of that time were deeply thoughtful people who managed to always provide a strong humanist perspective within the context of their chosen religion.

My daughters today both exist outside the framework of organized religions, would almost surely say they did not "believe in God" or more to the point, they would not say that they "do believe in God" (Or Jesus or Allah or Yahweh or Kali or Vishnu or Haile Sallasie...) and do not seem to have the need to mumble things about "Higher Power", etc.

I was worried for a time that they might be good candidates for the neo-religions that my own generation was full of (American Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Newage this-n-that, Moonies, Krishnas, Trancendental Meditation, etc.). I was worried that their exposure to a formal religion and the rituals of it had established patterns that would need to be met somewhere else. On the opposite end, I was worried that their "failed" religious experience might leave them empty, without meaning, etc.

As far as I can tell, I needn't worry on either account. If I had to do it over, I might not do any different... I might choose a different mother for my children (she left us about the time the girls attained the Age of Reason, but remained involved with them to this day) who I could have raised children within a more consistent framework of belief/non-belief. But I think it all came out fine, early fairy-tales and all...

And as *fairy tales* go, I think that our contemporary modern/post-modern narcissistic pop-culture system of beliefs is insidiously and equally dangerous. The myths of free markets, of the centrality of capital, of socialism and communism, of consumerism, drugs-are-good/drugs-are-evil, of neoconservative (sans religion) and of neoliberal politics... *ALL* of these do damage too... maybe not as acute as the crusades or jihad but just as laced with "fairy tales" as Doug calls them.

More on Death and Dying under separate cover.

- Steve

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