Hit the nail on the head there Ed!
I think some good can come out of this conversation. Mostly saying. Oh Santa Fe has made a bunch of really crappy choices related to having fun, cool and CHEAP internet. I suspect ultimatly the fix will come from a combination of things. First mile seems to be tackling the rules and parts suff. So mabie one othe other parts a clever people trying to plan and build some realy fast internet? I guess what I want to come out in text is this sounds like a problem that's been an issue since at least I've lived in Santa Fe. I have no idea why on earth someone or a bunch of someones didn't put together some Kick Blip internet way before then. What I see as the issue with DSL is basically almost anything I need to do with online stuff it's not reely the right tool. Where as Cable or Fiber would be. Also kind of sucks for Schools, Mesums, and basically any place doing Science and Tech to have crappy internet So then we get into a chicken and Egg. How do we get say a research campus or fun place like that into Santa Fe if the parts aren't there, But something like that might be what is needed to get cheep rocking internet and science and all the fun stuff with it. (for example) Yeah we might not need gigabyte speed internet now. I'd think it'd work better for a while than speeds cable provides. SPECULATION: I wonder if something at Gigabyte speeds that doesn't need a bunch of wire would work even better. Mostly because once don't require a reely long wire can get fast internet all over the place, anywhere there's a box shouting out here be Bazzinga speed internet. Might be cheeper because you can lots and lots of them all over the place with out needing to make what amounts to building a big ol LAN party. Thus win-win for the most part. Anyway it's Sunday, it sounds like a bunch of clever people are re-visting the quirky state of Santa Fe and InfoNet problems. I'd like to see that part get improved enormously. I proclaim to everyone Much Myth! On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > I have a difficult time believing that Ting will decide to come here. Some > of the reasons: > > The pricing is very interesting. Right now I pay about $60/month for 80 > mbps downloads and 5-6 mbps uploads. The service has been very reliable. So > it sounds good to have the possibility of getting gigabit speeds for only > another $30/month. The other side of this is that the $60/month is about > twice what I would pay for the speed I get elsewhere so it’s not clear that > the biggest contribution Ting might make is to lower the monopolistic rates > Comcast and Qwest get away with. More important is that I question how many > households in Santa Fe really need gigabit speeds. FRIAMers are not > representative of the SF population and even among us, how many of us need > that speed.. > > The second issue is where the service would be available. At their range > of costs per drop, they would be restricted to a small radius in the center > of the city. I live a couple of miles up Hyde Park Road near the Santa Fe > Institute. We have all underground utilities so I can’t see any way Ting > will ever get up here. The $9 vote even if all 100 or so of my neighbors > did it seems totally irrelevant. > > But my largest problem by far is issue of cherry picking and providing > service in only select areas which for residential customers means where > the rich people live. That leaves out most of the residents who are poor > and live on the south side of the city. As I understand it, Ting would not > be required to provide service to the schools, most of which are on the > south side. I suppose one could take the position that as a private company > Ting should be able to decide who it wants to attract as customers. On the > other hands, then what is a “public” utility? This was a major issue when I > was involved with the city trying to stop and then fix their 2010 telcom > franchise ordinance. One interesting side note to that sad effort is that > Qwest tried to block the franchise ordinance which would have allowed > cherry picking arguing that they (Qwest) had to provide service for > everyone and it would be unfair competition to allow other telcoms to pick > their customers. This issue was part of the reasons Qwest sued the city > over the ordinance. > > Santa Fe has an over 20 year history of making disastrous decisions on > telcom that prevented putting in the infrastructure that would have created > an environment where companies like Ting could come here and provide > premium service while all residents would be guaranteed a decent affordable > level of service. At this point I tend to agree with what I see as Sean’s > view that progress will be incremental. Sad situation for most of the > residents of Santa Fe, especially the school kids. > > I encourage any of you that are interested in this issue to get on the 1st > mile list serve (http://www.1st-mile.org/). There’s lots of information > there about what is going on here and in other communities by people who > have many years of experience working on these issues. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > Dear Friammers, particularly those in Santa Fe, > > I have been rummaging around on the Ting Website trying to figure out how > this thing could possibly work. Fibre? Really? > > https://ting.com/blog/internet/charlottesville/ > > Look at the second item in the blog. Apparently they have an interesting > “foot-in-the-door” strategy, which they are using in Charlottesvill, VA. > They ask you to kick in $9 dollars to “vote” for your neighborhood. > > Also, at the city level, one can express interest. See > https://ting.com/internet/townvote > > Nick > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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