Nah, we’re just a media for representing knowledge. Not a obviously a very efficient one, either. I mean, wasting all that time in school, only to forget much of it and then hopefully become a professional expert in some tiny area. And a lot of people won’t even accomplish that, but nonetheless participate in filling the atmosphere full of CO2 and CH4 and using up vast fossil fuel reserves. After a few decades comes retirement and much of that expertise is lost by society. It’s all quite wasteful. Something better sounds like a good idea. It’s not extinction, it’s evolution.
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Edward Angel Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 11:42 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns There is a large group of distinguished people including Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking, Bill Joy and Martin Rees, who believe that AI is an existential threat and the probability of the human race surviving another 100 years is less than 50/50. Stephen Hawking has said he has no idea what to do about. Bill Joy’s (non) solution is better ethical education for workers in the area. I can’t see how open source will prevent the dangers they worry about. Martin Rees has an Institute at Cambridge that worries about these things. Ed _______________________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu<mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Jun 5, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Pamela McCorduck <pam...@well.com<mailto:pam...@well.com>> wrote: I have some grave concerns about AI being concentrated in the hands of a few big firms—Google, FaceBook, Amazon, and so on. Elon Musk says the answer is open sourcing, but I’m skeptical. That said, I’d be interested in hearing other people’s solutions. Then again, you may not think it’s a problem. On Jun 5, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Robert Wall <wallrobe...@gmail.com<mailto:wallrobe...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Tom, Interesting article about Google and their foray [actually a Blitzkrieg, as they are buying up all of the brain trust in this area] into the world of machine learning presumably to improve the search customer experience. Could their efforts actually have unintended consequences for both the search customer and the marketing efforts of the website owners? It is interesting to consider. For example, for the former case, Google picking WebMD as the paragon website for the healthcare industry flies in the face of my own experience and, say, this New York Times Magazine article: A Prescription for Fear<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/magazine/06FOB-Medium-t.html?login=email&_r=0> (Feb 2011). Will this actually make WebMD the de facto paragon in the minds of the searchers? For the latter, successful web marketing becomes increasingly subject to the latest Google search algorithms instead of the previously more expert in-house marketing departments. Of course, this is the nature of SEO--to game the algorithms to attract better rankings. But, it seems those in-house marketing departments will need to up their game: In other ways, things are a bit harder. The field of SEO will continue to become extremely technical. Analytics and big data are the order of the day, and any SEO that isn’t familiar with these approaches has a lot of catching up to do. Those of you who have these skills can look forward to a big payday. Also, with respect to those charts anticipating exponential growth for AGI technology--even eclipsing human intelligence by mid-century--there is much reasoning to see this as overly optimistic [see, for example, Hubert Dreyfus' critique of Good Old Fashion AI: "What Computers Can't Do"]. These charts kind of remind me of the "ultraviolet catastrophe" around the end of the 19th century. There are physical limitations that may well tamp progress and keep it to ANI. With respect to AGI, there have been some pointed challenges to this "Law of Accelerating Returns." On this point, I thought this article in AEON titled "Creative Blocks: The very laws of physics imply that artificial intelligence must be possible. What’s holding us up?<https://aeon.co/essays/how-close-are-we-to-creating-artificial-intelligence> (Oct 2012)" is on point concerning the philosophical and epistemological road blocks. This one, titled "Where do minds belong?<https://aeon.co/essays/intelligent-machines-might-want-to-become-biological-again> (Mar 2016)" discusses the technological roadblocks in an insightful, highly speculative, but entertaining manner. Nonetheless, this whole discussion is quite intriguing, no matter your stance, hopes, or fears. 😎 Cheers, Robert On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com<mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>> wrote: See http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/04/artificial-intelligence-is-changing-seo-faster-than-you-think/?ncid=tcdaily <http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/04/artificial-intelligence-is-changing-seo-faster-than-you-think/?ncid=tcdaily> Among other points: "...why doing regression analysis over every site, without having the context of the search result that it is in, is supremely flawed." 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