> Why hast thou forsaken me?
> > Nick Well, did you pay your tithes last month???? It is really kind of silly to think that one can either characterize oneself, or be characterized by others, as Dionysian or Apollonian. the concept has become so mucked up since Nietzsche used the notions to define tragedy (a folly of his youth). The absurd overlay / infusion of Islamo-Judeo-Christo morality delivered a death blow to the whole idea. In Greek Philosophy ones behavior (and thoughts if you want to allow such) were grounded in complex blend of the the two traits; and consequently everyone was "ambiguous" with regard to them. The intolerance of ambiguity among the People of the Book and most of Western culture, keeps trying to push for a two valued logic which is not useful. If you want to use the terms as metaphors, Apollonian vs. Dionysian could correspond to 1) cortex vs. amygdala; or 2) right-brain vs. left- brain. Everyone knows that any behavior is simultaneously grounded in both elements, but to an observer, including an internal one, any given behavior might seem to be predominantly influenced by one or the other. My claim to "Apollonian" is grounded in a long ago commitment to following the precepts of Jinyana (Jnana) Yoga. first in Vedic literature, the Buddhism and Taoism — Ch'an Buddhism --> Zen. I strive to make all of my behavior deliberate and intentional within a meta- rational and meta-logical context, utilizing the cortex / left-brain as a filter. If you ever read Korzibski, there echos in my head of his "cortico- thalamic pause." Feel free to reduce the preceding mumbo-jumbo to: its all behavior, and each behavior is grounded in the complexity of the whole organism. davew On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Dave, > > Thou deniest me in my moment of need! > > Thou castest me to the wolves (eg Marcus). > > Why hast thou forsaken me? > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:friam- > boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, > January 02, 2019 10:49 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] > Abduction> > Sorry Nick, > > I am as hardcore Apollonian as is possible. > > And if you organize your life around pleasure, even if moderate and > consistent, it is you that are the Dionysian.> > davew > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Dave, > > > > I realize that you (and perhaps others of our colleagues here) are> > > > Dionysians, whereas I, always, have been a stalwart Apollonian. The> > > > difference, for me, is the risk one is willing to take for a peak> > > > experience of some sort. Some people organize their lives around> > their > > vacations and holidays. I hate holidays and vacations and > > organize my life around a steady diet of moderate pleasure. If you > > see what I mean.> > For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms > > might do > > for me.> > Is that a fair statement of a difference between us? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of > > Prof David> > West > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:05 AM > > To: friam@redfish.com > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction > > > > MDMA risks = dehydration, in part because it is usually taken in the> > > > context of frenetic physical activity like at a rave. Disinhibition> > can > > pose a secondary risk because partner selection is less > > discerning. Like too many drugs, long term effects / gender > > different> > effects / age different effects, are unknown because unstudied. > > > > davew > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > > The premise of the series is that a drug + counseling is used to> > > > > > mitigate PTSD symptoms, but in fact it ends-up deleting recent > > > memories> > > and was intended to make soldiers able to continue service. > > > > > > > > > One might argue that accumulation of emotional trauma is part of > > > one's> > > personality, and relieving it destroys part of a person. One > > > might> > > also argue that to have just one personality, developing on a > > > contiguous timeline, is a sort of arbitrary confinement -- like> > > > > > living in a freezer that just keeps getting colder. > > > > > > I don't know what the actual risks are of MDMA. Alcohol's side > > > effects,> > > in terms of impairment of judgement, are already pretty > > > dangerous.> > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > On 1/1/19, 7:23 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen" > > > <friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of geprope...@gmail.com[1]> > > > wrote:> > > > > > I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking why > > > psychedelics are not prescribable? Or saying that their > > > therapeutic> > > effect is negligible? > > > > > > FWIW, I haven't seen Homecoming. > > > > > > On January 1, 2019 11:28:28 AM PST, Marcus Daniels > > > <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > > >Watching Homecoming I found myself thinking, "Yes, so what's> > > > > > the big > > > >deal?" > > > > > > > >On 12/31/18, 1:40 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" > > > ><friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of > > > >geprope...@gmail.com[2]>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We're getting closer EVERY DAY! > > > > > > > > https://psi-2020.org/ > > > > > > > > Oh, and if anyone needs a charity to toss some 2018 money > > > > at:> > > > > > > > https://maps.org/ > > > > > > > -- > > > glen > > > > > > ============================================================> > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > > to unsubscribe > > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > > > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. > > > Strangelove> > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at> > > > > > cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove> > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 > > at cafe> > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 > > at cafe> > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> archives back to 2003: > http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove Links: 1. mailto:friam- boun...@redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20geprope...@gmail.com 2. mailto:friam- boun...@redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20geprope...@gmail.com
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