Well, during my chemotherapy and years of maintenance doses of obinutuzumab, 
red meat was the only thing that sated me. Prior to my diagnosis and after I 
stopped taking the drug, I do well on a mostly plant diet, eating meat once or 
twice per week. That personal experience convinced me of what nutritionists 
have been telling us for years, that meat *is* an efficient way to deliver some 
nutrients. The (arguably few) ranchers I've talked to through Utah State Univ. 
and through the locals who buy whole cows and pigs every year, tend to talk 
about land use efficiency more than nutritional density. And, again, I believe 
fairly strongly in the idea that distributed systems can solve some problems 
better and faster than centralized systems. So, the ranchers probably *can* 
solve some of the problems better than the State or Federal governments 
(leaving out counties and cities). But arguing that *all* government is 
bad/inefficient is just more stupid rhetoric.

As for the light bulbs, the purpose of the *machine* is to control the flow of energy. 
The heat from your bulbs is *lost* energy, even if you manage to harvest some fraction of 
that loss, it's still a worse design for a machine. Now, if you designed your house as a 
living ecosystem, with a "circle of life/energy", then I might buy the idea 
that the bulb is one organelle in a larger organism. ... But that's a high hurdle to get 
over.

On 11/10/19 8:57 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
I was musing the other day on the amount of food waste between harvest and 
eating and wondering vaguely if meat isn't a more efficient way to bring plants 
to table than we give it credit for.  In the same way that I wonder about these 
claims that my lightbulbs are saving energy when they give off less heat 
...during the winter?  Aren't those nice warm incandescent lightbulbs helping 
to heat my house?

I don't share your more general implication that government should leave off 
thinking about this stuff and leave the cattlemen to solve it on their own.  
That leads back to our conversation ofn Grapes of Wrath.

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