Glen writes: "And I've heard people talk about *engaging* with Trumpists and trying to tease apart whatever good or bad the ecology associated with Trump has done or not done. But I fail every time I try. How do you crack open that layered chitin an Ismist accretes around their self without killing them?"
Perhaps it is my training as a cultural anthropologist and ethnographer, but I have no trouble productively engaging is "ismists" of all persuasions, often in the same day. As an anthropologist I am pretty much an absolute cultural relativist and abhor ethnocentrism. Also, I would not presume to attempt to "crack open that layered chitin" of another until and unless I had shattered my own shell. davew On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, at 8:00 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > On 11/11/19 10:40 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Stopping behaviors that are counterproductive is different from > > promulgating a prescriptive ideology. The point is to open up space for > > what might work, and that which has yet to be falsified. The Trumpism > > behaviors are not drawn from a complex data set. > > Maybe not. But *how* do we open up that space for people who are dead > set for Trump, against someone like Bill Weld or Joe Walsh? By the same > token, how could we have opened things up for the Bernie Bros who were > so against Clinton? Or the coming nastiness between whichever D's make > it to the primaries? > > I mean, if ranked choice were more widespread, that alone would help a > lot. The tendency to -isms is canalized by over-zealous reduction. My > self-ascribed Christian neighbor (who doesn't seem to be a follower of > Christ, but whatever) once gave me a book with a title like "Jesus: > Insane, Liar, or God." The idea being that the 3 ideas were mutually > exclusive. When Dave points out that membership in his set of > disgruntled people isn't crisp, he's only reiterating the thread topic: > how to integrate -isms. I made my lame attempt to talk to my neighbor > about the Axiom of Choice, modal logics, etc. ... and of course failed > utterly. And I've heard people talk about *engaging* with Trumpists and > trying to tease apart whatever good or bad the ecology associated with > Trump has done or not done. But I fail every time I try. How do you > crack open that layered chitin an Ismist accretes around their self > without killing them? > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove