the papers were papers in the main tracks of the conference — not student poster presentations.
davew On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Prof David West wrote: > The evolution of philosophy to science is ubiquitous. Charles Needham > documented how essentially all of Chinese science evolved from, mostly, > Taoist philosophy. Computational Science ala Leibniz derived from the > Theistic Philosophy of Ramon Lull. Alchemy to Chemistry, etc. etc. > > I agree with Glen, that is irrelevant to the problem he posed. > > Can't provide a controlled experiment of the sort he suggested, but I > can provide a supporting anecdote. > > The software apprenticeship program I did at Highlands mandated a whole > lot of philosophy and history of computing and technology as well as > some Taoism and other philosophical odds and ends. We also made them > read poetry and study anthropology, so the philosophy may or may not > have been the prime determinant of results. > > But, 22 students, 1 year in the program including freshmen who could > not use a word processor to a couple of grad students with professional > experience. (We had a one-room classroom.) > > 10 of the students published papers, that year, at one of the two > refereed conferences with the highest rejection rates in the US at the > time. > > The "no cut and paste" student was supervising other students working > on a Java J2EE project for the State Engineer's Office after one > semester. > > All of the students, including the freshmen with only that one year of > apprenticeship, were placed in full-time developer jobs at the State of > New Mexico or Los Alamos Labs (in admin area, not nuclear science area) > when felon Aragon canceled the program. > > The work of the students won an award from the New Mexico Information, > Software, and Technology Association. > > Definitely above average performance and due, at least in some small > measure, to the philosophy — or so I think. > > davew > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, at 6:05 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Sorry, Glen. I didn't mean to imply any kind of argument in the > > matter. The comment just interested me, and I thought you might have > > information to share with me. It wasn't clear that I could even > > support the more general proposition, the one I thought you were > > making, let alone the more specific one that you actually made. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ? > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:58 AM > > To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology > > > > I'm not going to answer because that's irrelevant. The challenge is > > whether or not conversations like this impact the science done by those > > who have them. > > > > On 3/12/20 9:56 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Ah! When you say that the benefit of philosophy to science is > > > "straightforward", what do you have in mind? > > -- > > ☣ uǝlƃ > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove