Frank, When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K per month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social security and retirement income.
I am pretty certain that the ones with intense outbreaks were the latter type. When all the shouting is over and all the data is available, I would bet a significant amount of money that the single largest comorbidity factor will be poverty / lower economic status. davew On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Dave > > Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the ones I > know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month. Maybe you > mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..." > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Mon, May 4, 2020, 5:31 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >> __ >> The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are >> somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you >> don't have to lock down. >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>> Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people you >>> don't have to lock down. As an old person I have my doubts about that >>> approach. In the last three days one of my highschool classmates died of >>> covid related causes and a first cousin died of a heart attack with no >>> known covid involvement. >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 10:55 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Nick, the only mainstream news program I watch is Fareed Zakaria on Sunday >>>> morning. Below is part of this morning's report. Not surprisingly (for >>>> those of us who have had the privilege recently of spending time in >>>> Sweden), the answer to how it's working, is just about like the countries >>>> that are locked down, with one exception. More deaths (mostly among the >>>> elderly who primarily live together in retirement). >>>> >>>> As world governments employ different policies to fight Covid-19, Sweden’s >>>> relaxed approach stands out: Eschewing lockdowns, the country has left its >>>> schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of >>>> the pandemic. Fareed interviews the man behind that strategy, *Anders >>>> Tegnell*, the Swedish government’s top epidemiologist, about how it’s >>>> working and whether his country can offer any lessons to the rest of the >>>> world. >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Colleagues, ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and >>>>> good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again. What exactly >>>>> is this economy we are bent on reviving? What exactly is the difference >>>>> in human activity between our present state and a revived economy. We can >>>>> go to bars and concerts and football games? Is that the economy we are >>>>> reviving? It seems to me that the difference between a “healty” economy >>>>> and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of >>>>> people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to >>>>> do? ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats >>>>> were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and >>>>> protected to see how the population would develop. They never got above >>>>> two hundred. Infant mortality, etc., was appalling. Carnage. In the same >>>>> space, a competent lab breeding organization could have kept a population >>>>> of tens of thousands. ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> Don’t yell at me. What fundamental proposition about economics do I not >>>>> understand? ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> Nick ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> Nicholas Thompson____ >>>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology____ >>>>> Clark University____ >>>>> ThompNickSon2@gmail.com____ >>>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/____ >>>>> ____ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> __ __ >>>>> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >>>>> .... . ... >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>>> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>>> emergentdiplomacy.org >>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>>> >>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelef...@gmail.com> >>>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>>> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >>>> twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff >>>> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >>>> .... . ... >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >>> .... . ... >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >> .... . ... >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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