Dave and Ed Thanks for making me aware of the options. My plan is to stay in my present house until the end. This should be possible if I don't have a contagious final illness.
Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, May 4, 2020, 10:26 AM Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > Most elder facilities do not require the huge buy in. In NM there are a > large number of smaller facilities that can house up to ten people and are > much less expensive. There are also larger ones that are pretty good that > don’t have a buy in and charge less than 6K/month although are still out of > reach for most New Mexicans. > > The largest outbreak in ABQ is at La Vida Llena which has the big buy in > and high monthly charge. It is generally regarded as the best facility in > ABQ. It is run as a nonprofit by some the large mainstream churches. I have > three friends there. The outbreak there that affected over 50 residents and > staff was in the skilled nursing part of the facility and thus far has not > affected independent living residents like my friends who are however under > a pretty strict quarantine. I think the main point here is that wherever > people put together in a small space there is grave danger. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On May 4, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > Frank, > > When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K > per month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are > subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social > security and retirement income. > > I am pretty certain that the ones with intense outbreaks were the latter > type. > > When all the shouting is over and all the data is available, I would bet a > significant amount of money that the single largest comorbidity factor will > be poverty / lower economic status. > > davew > > On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Dave > > Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the > ones I know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month. > Maybe you mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..." > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Mon, May 4, 2020, 5:31 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > > The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are > somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you > don't have to lock down. > > > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people you > don't have to lock down. As an old person I have my doubts about that > approach. In the last three days one of my highschool classmates died of > covid related causes and a first cousin died of a heart attack with no > known covid involvement. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, 10:55 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Nick, the only mainstream news program I watch is Fareed Zakaria on Sunday > morning. Below is part of this morning's report. Not surprisingly (for > those of us who have had the privilege recently of spending time in > Sweden), the answer to how it's working, is just about like the countries > that are locked down, with one exception. More deaths (mostly among the > elderly who primarily live together in retirement). > > As world governments employ different policies to fight Covid-19, Sweden’s > relaxed approach stands out: Eschewing lockdowns, the country has left its > schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of > the pandemic. Fareed interviews the man behind that strategy, *Anders > Tegnell*, the Swedish government’s top epidemiologist, about how it’s > working and whether his country can offer any lessons to the rest of the > world. > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Colleagues, > > > > I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and > good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again. What exactly > is this economy we are bent on reviving? What exactly is the difference in > human activity between our present state and a revived economy. We can go > to bars and concerts and football games? Is that the economy we are > reviving? It seems to me that the difference between a “healty” economy > and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of > people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to do? > > > > > You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats were > put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and > protected to see how the population would develop. They never got above > two hundred. Infant mortality, etc., was appalling. Carnage. In the same > space, a competent lab breeding organization could have kept a population > of tens of thousands. > > > > Don’t yell at me. What fundamental proposition about economics do I not > understand? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > merlelefk...@gmail.com <merlelef...@gmail.com> > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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