Thanks, Steve. I saw that and enjoyed it very much. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, May 5, 2020, 8:08 AM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > Frank- > > Given your anecdote, I strongly recommend watching the Spike Jonze's movie > HER which has all the earmarks of a dystopian near-future but not to be a > spoiler, it actually resolves very sweetly. I believe the voice of "Her" > is Scarlett Johannson. Alan Watts makes an interesting Cameo. > > - Steve > > My grandson uses his Echo Dot extensively. A soft female voice answers > his questions about spelling, arithmetic, geography, etc. The other day he > asked, understandably, "Alexa, will you marry me?" She said, "I've decided > to wait until Mars is colonized before making that commitment." Good > thinking. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, May 5, 2020, 5:39 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> Came across this yesterday afternoon: >> >> *"Psychology is not a science because it is too difficult. The scientific >> mind is usually orderly, with a natural love for order. It resents and >> tends to ignore fields in which order is not readily apparent. It >> gravitates to fields in which order is easily found such as the physical >> sciences, and leaves more complex fields to those who play by ear, as it >> were. Thus we have a rigourous science of thermodynamics but are not like >> to have a science of psychodynamics for many years to come."* >> >> From a Robert A. Heinlein book, *Sixth Column*, I read when I was an >> impressionable child. Not that he is correct, but I see where my antipathy >> to some science comes from. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Prof David West wrote: >> >> Allow Nick to say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking, therefore it >> is thinking." >> >> How does a computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior? I am >> looking at my computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet, laptop, and >> desktop) and the only behavior I see any of them exhibiting is precisely >> identical to the behavior of the glass paperweight that also occupies space >> on my desk. >> >> What is this thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the computer? Am I >> the only one that cannot see it? >> >> davew >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Yup. That’s what he would say. What *persuades* you that a super >> competent computer can’t think? Can a dog think? How would a Martian >> convince you that it (he, she) can think? >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly >> *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve >> >> >> >> >> Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool >> student asked me what the *hard problem* is I would say: There appears >> to be no limit to how competent computers can be. They seem to be able to >> do just about anything that people think requires thought. But I am >> persuaded that they can't think. What makes the difference between >> thinking people and hypercompetent computers? >> >> >> >> Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks. I think. >> >> >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: >> >> >> I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just >> self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why do I feel like >> I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess that would make me more of >> an allegorist? >> >> > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might >> want to get some help for that. >> > >> > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run out and >> blow away a few cacti. 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